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Intel Cannonlake CPUs are the first consumer products to get upgraded with HMC.
Both of those will be RAM replacements. I don't see either of those technologies helping with the CPU part for desktop workloads as latency is more important than bandwidth for CPUs. But we should see significant gains for APUs which are currently held back by their limited bandwidth.
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Originally Posted by Myst-san View Post

If it is in 15% or less of Skylake performance, It will be a pass for me.

So if AMD gets within 15% of Intel, you still will not buy it. Seriously? If AMD gets to within 15% of skylake they will get my money. That would be a substantial design win, imo.

Unless you meant to say If it isn't within 15%. Not very clear from what you typed.
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What he said is pretty much universally agreed upon, even by experts. AMD pumped pretty much all the money and resources they could into Zen, making it their largest R&D project.

We have already seen AMD set the stage for the possibility that Zen is either a failure, or just isn't well received for some reason. AMD is in the middle of hand shaking with suitors and structuring so they can hit the life boats in a hurry if they need to.

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I personally think Zen will be a great product, but I think AMD's image is too damaged at this point. Even if Zen is all we want it to be, will the market shift fast enough and far enough to save AMD?

It is like asking to move the Grand Canyon at this point. Time will tell!

Based on the post above, AMD could probably come out with an uArch that surpasses skylake, and they would still have problems. Intel just has too strong of a brand and too many strong ties to OEM. AMD needs server market, yesterday.
 
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post #43 of 44
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I personally think Zen will be a great product, but I think AMD's image is too damaged at this point. Even if Zen is all we want it to be, will the market shift fast enough and far enough to save AMD?

It is like asking to move the Grand Canyon at this point. Time will tell!

Unless AMD embraces their value-brand image, no. They have no choice but to deliver more at a given price. Fury X delivers more value in terms of cooling than the 980Ti, but everyone buys the 980Ti anyway because it is 5% faster and can still be overclocked (even though many won't overclock it).

If Zen matches Haswell's IPC **AND** clockspeeds (4.5GHz overclocked), they will still be well behind Intel's latest and greatest, and should be priced as such. AMD needs to offer 30% better multithreaded performance to makeup for a 15% single threaded deficit.

If they have a 15% deficit vs Skylake, they should release quad core Zen CPUs with SMT enabled to compete with the i5 series and they should release 6-core CPUs to compete with the lower i7s, and 6-core CPUs wiht SMT to compete with the K-series i7s (1150 socket i7s), and an 8 core w/ SMT to compete against Intel's entry level 2011-v3 or whatever socket they use now CPUs.

AMD's once ace in the hole may be DDR3 support. If I can buy an AM4 motherboard to run Zen using my current DDR3 memory that could save me a couple hundred dollars and I can absolutely afford to sacrifice a little single threaded performance for that! thumb.gif

My four DDR3-2133 CL9 modules aren't going to be outdated anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Kuivamaa View Post

Could be arctic islands GPUs, the SoC for the new nintendo console or Zen even (in case AMD wants to test both nodes).

Dude... Nintendo running 16nm GPUs? That will definitely put them at the same level as current consoles, probably far beyond.
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