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Nice try, epic fail. Thats why you get a pop up at @3:26 that say you did'nt apply the new settings. Also thats why your only using 2.7 GB of vram. You cant fake vram, thats why the total vram is on that screen. Just for that reason It take at least 3.7 to 3.9.

Also I was playing in 4K the first day it launched. YOUR video is fake and, I proved it 3:26. Hence the pop up!!!!! thumb.gif
Do you know how to apply new setting's? And you can clearly see the difference in the videos. Also how I knew yours was faked. LOOK at the DIFFERENCE, gee.

Its quite funny how these things seem to always work themselves out. As a community (Overclock.net) we are pretty locked in on what current gpu's are capable of on any given game. Its like our bread and butter when it comes to knowledge. Almost daily someone claims to have a special gpu that produce's exceptional numbers. It always ends up being the settings weren't in fact "Ultra". I usually stay out of it but this one I couldn't resist.
 
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post #92 of 172
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What an amusing thread smile.gif
I agree.

2GB isn't enough unless you don't mind playing at lower resolutions and lower texture quality. 4GB in reality is plenty but when devs push out games that don't look all that great and it takes over 4GB to max out (looking at you dying light) then suddenly 4GB isn't enough either.
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post #93 of 172
4GB Vram really is the ideal (well, the 970 has 3.5 and does fine, but that's another story), but I feel like we're between a rock and a hard place with the midrange cards. The 380 4GB is a good deal, but you're forced to go AMD (some people don't care for their driver suite. Can't comment since Nvidia's latest drivers caused my 980Ti to crash in Elite: Dangerous of all things), but the 960 4GB is too much for the performance.

We need 380X and 960Ti to bridge the gap between the 390 and the 970; make it $50 cheaper, but maybe let it reach stock 970/390 performance levels with overclocking?
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post #94 of 172
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Its quite funny how these things seem to always work themselves out. As a community (Overclock.net) we are pretty locked in on what current gpu's are capable of on any given game. Its like our bread and butter when it comes to knowledge. Almost daily someone claims to have a special gpu that produce's exceptional numbers. It always ends up being the settings weren't in fact "Ultra". I usually stay out of it but this one I couldn't resist.

I agree. I should have made my last post more clear, it was not directed towards you! I'll never understand why people will try to fake results. There is so much data available just for gta v, you can't fake it, it can't be done.
You'll also notice he never replied. As the video I posted vs the video he posted was a world apart. Also thats why rock* put the total vram usage on that settings screen.

People used to do the same thing gtaIV.

Its one of the oldest tricks in the book. You change the setting on camera you just dont apply them. That and the ungine haven fake benchmark.
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post #95 of 172
R9 290(X)s are indeed amazing value, and I'm not sure why people don't just enjoy their hardware without calling others liars. Sure, if you don't notch up the power limit on some radeons, they might clock down a tad sometimes, at least the lower end ones have some rather aggressively low TPD in cases. Then again it's not like Nvidia's boost clock is not behaving similar to this anyway.
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post #96 of 172
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Man, all of this arguing. Just to thing 25fps with 130 ping is cs 1.6 was playable for me back in the days lol. Anything over 30 would be nice, 60+ would be awesome of course.

Yup, some days I wish I could go back to not really knowing, nor caring, and just having fun with the game. This hobby is a double edged sword in that sense.. always need to tinker with settings to get it just right. Luckily I'm not a complete FPS snob as some unfortunately seem to be on this side of the gaming world. Not pointing to anyone here in particular to but it's pretty ridiculous by using terms like "unplayable" when talking a hair below 60fps, or even 45fps... Below that ok, but 30fps is still manageable *depending* on the type of game it is.

Much like these cards (380/960) are not ideal for 1440p for AAA games at max, neither is my single 290x for max setting AAA gaming at 4k. However, that does not mean you cannot mess with some settings and get a very enjoyable experience out of it. I'm perfectly happy even using a 750ti at 1440p and have for games like Battlefield 4.. as long as you find the right settings to turn down you can still have a great experience with it while not destroying the visual IQ.
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post #97 of 172
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Yup, some days I wish I could go back to not really knowing, nor caring, and just having fun with the game. This hobby is a double edged sword in that sense.. always need to tinker with settings to get it just right. Luckily I'm not a complete FPS snob as some unfortunately seem to be on this side of the gaming world. Not pointing to anyone here in particular to but it's pretty ridiculous by using terms like "unplayable" when talking a hair below 60fps, or even 45fps... Below that ok, but 30fps is still manageable *depending* on the type of game it is.

Much like these cards (380/960) are not ideal for 1440p for AAA games at max, neither is my single 290x for max setting AAA gaming at 4k. However, that does not mean you cannot mess with some settings and get a very enjoyable experience out of it. I'm perfectly happy even using a 750ti at 1440p and have for games like Battlefield 4.. as long as you find the right settings to turn down you can still have a great experience with it while not destroying the visual IQ.

Well said smile.gif
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The 380 should be faster than a gtx 960. It's about 65% larger and isn't old tech. The problem is that for the most part only 10% faster, perhaps less if we include the overclocked gtx 960 that are most of the 960's.

I think besides the 980 and titan x, the 960 is not a well priced card, but this has more to do with desperation on AMD part and it's choice to sacriface profits and take a loss so that they can get some sort of marketshare.


The r9 380 is a large chip to sell for 200 dollars. It's bigger than tahiti and is closer in size to a gtx 970 than a gtx 960. If efficiency was on AMD side still, the r9 380 should be competing with the 970, but it gets trounced. What this causes to happen is AMD is forced to have a bad business model and really kill the profits the GPU used to make. But they have to or have stock stay in warehouses and depreciate.

Nvidia likely doesn't want to underprice their products because they know, the public will often pick their products even if it is a tad slower. Nvidia could drop the price of the gtx 960 by 50 dollars if they wanted too. It's more along the lines of the r7 370 in size and 140-150 is where this card occupies. However they don't need to go after the profit killing route. It would simply depress prices further and kill AMD sooner which they likely don't want. What they likely realize is that they have a brand advantage which allows them to get the lionshare of the market and feed AMD scraps while making higher profits for themselves.

Add in Nvidia's superior game bundles and along with public perception of Nvidia cards at the moment, AMD just won't sell which is very bad considering they are as low as can go.

They are using OC'ed 960s.

380 doesn't have a 65% larger die size, it's more likely half of that considering 380 is a cut down chip and tonga doesn't use 384-bit bus which is present.

AMD's low clockspeeds are surely hurting but 380X is going to be a decent bit faster than the 960, so let's keep the die size discussion for then. Right now AMD are making enough money on it with apple to not have it released in PC market.
    
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I agree.

2GB isn't enough unless you don't mind playing at lower resolutions and lower texture quality. 4GB in reality is plenty but when devs push out games that don't look all that great and it takes over 4GB to max out (looking at you dying light) then suddenly 4GB isn't enough either.

Dying Light doesn't look good?







Not sure how it looks without GamesWorks, but, it's a beautiful game and it runs superb with it.
     
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Yup, some days I wish I could go back to not really knowing, nor caring, and just having fun with the game. This hobby is a double edged sword in that sense.. always need to tinker with settings to get it just right. Luckily I'm not a complete FPS snob as some unfortunately seem to be on this side of the gaming world. Not pointing to anyone here in particular to but it's pretty ridiculous by using terms like "unplayable" when talking a hair below 60fps, or even 45fps... Below that ok, but 30fps is still manageable *depending* on the type of game it is.

Much like these cards (380/960) are not ideal for 1440p for AAA games at max, neither is my single 290x for max setting AAA gaming at 4k. However, that does not mean you cannot mess with some settings and get a very enjoyable experience out of it. I'm perfectly happy even using a 750ti at 1440p and have for games like Battlefield 4.. as long as you find the right settings to turn down you can still have a great experience with it while not destroying the visual IQ.

When you're used to playing at high frames, and you try and play at anything even at the 60fps range you'll understand very well how large of a difference it is. If your experience is only playing at ~60fps, you have nothing to compare it to those who are consistently playing at 90+, or even 120+ fps.

FPS is tied to a lot of other things, input lag, game engine mechanics, etc. It's not simply just a number.

It's all a matter of experience and perspective. wink.gif
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