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My parents purchased a house on foreclosure, where the previous owners took all the electronics and switches out of the walls and ceiling when the moved out. This included the whole house audio system. They are looking now to fill in the empty holes in the ceiling with speakers, and set the house up for whole house audio again. They aren't audiophiles by any means, and have asked me to find a cheap solution to get rid of the holes.


My experience with audio systems is minimal, so I would like help in figuring out what I need to buy (Things like amplifiers and receivers).


All of the wiring is still in tact. Each room as at least 2 speakers and a junction box by the light switches with what appears to be one end of an RJ45 cable in it. I'm assuming this is for volume controls? There is a central cabinet in the upstairs living room with a bundle of 36 wires labeled things such as MASTER LEFT, MASTER RIGHT, KITCHEN LEFT, etc. Despite there being 36 wires, to my best count I have only found 30 missing speakers. As you can tell by the speaker count, this is a large house, so I'm stuck as far as receivers/amps go. I was under the impression that I needed a separate channel for each room, but the only amplifier I could find was 14 channel and more expensive than my car. My parents do not need the ability to play different audio sources in each room, just one source throughout the room, so would I be able to use a basic receiver and split it somehow?

Here are pictures of what I'm working with

Central cabinet contents:





Holes in the Ceiling:




Room Control(?) Wiring:
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I would measure the size of the speaker holes and then find a reasonable set to replace the missing ones.

You would probably need a pretty serious amp to drive 30 pairs of speakers. but you could buy something with several channels and connect multiple speakers to one output of the amplifier. Try grouping them by location. Its not an ideal solution, but it should work. I run 3 pairs of speakers off of a zone 2 output from a Yamaha Surround Sound receiver hooked up to a home theater. They have volume controls for the 3 pairs, and turn them on and off as they need.

If the wall plates only have cat 5/6 and no speaker wire at each location for the room, then its likely they had a multi zone control system they could turn on and off as they wanted. these are typically very expensive and require a professional to install. There are DIY solutions i've seen, but haven't really paid much attention to them. Putting volume controls at these locations would not work if there is no speaker wire. Again there may be a DIY install system that could handle it, I think Smarthome or mono price sells a 6 zone audio controller or something with keypads that control the main unit by zone


as for only finding 30 pairs of wires, the other 6 pairs might be for outdoor speakers, or stuff that is buried in the walls. Is there a home theater? Are those speakers accounted for? You can buy a toner tool to verify and identify and sometimes even find speakers hidden in a wall, although that's a long shot without having any idea where they may be. A tool like this would work: http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-26000900-Pro3000-Generator/dp/B000FTADX0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445283817&sr=8-1&keywords=wire+toner+kit



I would get a receiver to control your audio sources, then run them to an amplifier, and drive multiple zones from there. If you wanted to get control to each room via that cat 5 in the wall, you would need to buy a controller than can support that many zones, and you're talking some big money at that point. I am sure you can find something on a DIY home automation site that would suite your needs. Even if you bought an in wall keypad that controlled volume and power via IR repeater to control the hardware you do buy.



Forgive me for not going into more detail, it's been a long time since I did that stuff, but did install a system or two close to that size.
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I would measure the size of the speaker holes and then find a reasonable set to replace the missing ones.

You would probably need a pretty serious amp to drive 30 pairs of speakers. but you could buy something with several channels and connect multiple speakers to one output of the amplifier. Try grouping them by location. Its not an ideal solution, but it should work. I run 3 pairs of speakers off of a zone 2 output from a Yamaha Surround Sound receiver hooked up to a home theater. They have volume controls for the 3 pairs, and turn them on and off as they need.

If the wall plates only have cat 5/6 and no speaker wire at each location for the room, then its likely they had a multi zone control system they could turn on and off as they wanted. these are typically very expensive and require a professional to install. There are DIY solutions i've seen, but haven't really paid much attention to them. Putting volume controls at these locations would not work if there is no speaker wire. Again there may be a DIY install system that could handle it, I think Smarthome or mono price sells a 6 zone audio controller or something with keypads that control the main unit by zone


as for only finding 30 pairs of wires, the other 6 pairs might be for outdoor speakers, or stuff that is buried in the walls. Is there a home theater? Are those speakers accounted for? You can buy a toner tool to verify and identify and sometimes even find speakers hidden in a wall, although that's a long shot without having any idea where they may be. A tool like this would work: http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-26000900-Pro3000-Generator/dp/B000FTADX0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445283817&sr=8-1&keywords=wire+toner+kit



I would get a receiver to control your audio sources, then run them to an amplifier, and drive multiple zones from there. If you wanted to get control to each room via that cat 5 in the wall, you would need to buy a controller than can support that many zones, and you're talking some big money at that point. I am sure you can find something on a DIY home automation site that would suite your needs. Even if you bought an in wall keypad that controlled volume and power via IR repeater to control the hardware you do buy.



Forgive me for not going into more detail, it's been a long time since I did that stuff, but did install a system or two close to that size.


You need a speaker selector to drive many speakers, or 70v speaker system. A speaker selector will have a protection mode which will keep load around 8ohms.

Otherwise you will blow your amp trying to run that many speakers in parallel.
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I would measure the size of the speaker holes and then find a reasonable set to replace the missing ones.

You would probably need a pretty serious amp to drive 30 pairs of speakers. but you could buy something with several channels and connect multiple speakers to one output of the amplifier. Try grouping them by location. Its not an ideal solution, but it should work. I run 3 pairs of speakers off of a zone 2 output from a Yamaha Surround Sound receiver hooked up to a home theater. They have volume controls for the 3 pairs, and turn them on and off as they need.

If the wall plates only have cat 5/6 and no speaker wire at each location for the room, then its likely they had a multi zone control system they could turn on and off as they wanted. these are typically very expensive and require a professional to install. There are DIY solutions i've seen, but haven't really paid much attention to them. Putting volume controls at these locations would not work if there is no speaker wire. Again there may be a DIY install system that could handle it, I think Smarthome or mono price sells a 6 zone audio controller or something with keypads that control the main unit by zone


as for only finding 30 pairs of wires, the other 6 pairs might be for outdoor speakers, or stuff that is buried in the walls. Is there a home theater? Are those speakers accounted for? You can buy a toner tool to verify and identify and sometimes even find speakers hidden in a wall, although that's a long shot without having any idea where they may be. A tool like this would work: http://www.amazon.com/Fluke-Networks-26000900-Pro3000-Generator/dp/B000FTADX0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445283817&sr=8-1&keywords=wire+toner+kit



I would get a receiver to control your audio sources, then run them to an amplifier, and drive multiple zones from there. If you wanted to get control to each room via that cat 5 in the wall, you would need to buy a controller than can support that many zones, and you're talking some big money at that point. I am sure you can find something on a DIY home automation site that would suite your needs. Even if you bought an in wall keypad that controlled volume and power via IR repeater to control the hardware you do buy.



Forgive me for not going into more detail, it's been a long time since I did that stuff, but did install a system or two close to that size.


If I have 30 wires, its probably only 15 pairs then, right? Anyways it's still a lot. As long as the original control system is disconnected, I can just run the speakers from the speaker selector sans-in-wall-controller without an issue, and just patch up the holes by the switches, ignoring the Cat5, correct?

Also, Is that toner specific for speaker wires? I have access to a toner for landscape irrigation low-voltage wiring, and was wondering if I could use that.

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You need a speaker selector to drive many speakers, or 70v speaker system. A speaker selector will have a protection mode which will keep load around 8ohms.

Otherwise you will blow your amp trying to run that many speakers in parallel.
Could I run multiple pairs off of each selector "zone?" Like group living room, dining room, and kitchen together, hallways together, bedrooms together, etc, and only buy a 5 way speaker selector as opposed to some crazy 15 way one? Or would that still put too much strain on the amp?

EDIT: Or buy two and connect them to each channel of a 2 channel reciever?
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If I have 30 wires, its probably only 15 pairs then, right? Anyways it's still a lot. As long as the original control system is disconnected, I can just run the speakers from the speaker selector sans-in-wall-controller without an issue, and just patch up the holes by the switches, ignoring the Cat5, correct?

Also, Is that toner specific for speaker wires? I have access to a toner for landscape irrigation low-voltage wiring, and was wondering if I could use that.
Could I run multiple pairs off of each selector "zone?" Like group living room, dining room, and kitchen together, hallways together, bedrooms together, etc, and only buy a 5 way speaker selector as opposed to some crazy 15 way one? Or would that still put too much strain on the amp?

EDIT: Or buy two and connect them to each channel of a 2 channel reciever?


I'm guessing the previous owners had a 70v system in place, where each speaker had its own transformer. Like what you would see in a restaurant. Otherwise if you do not have two speakers in each room for Stereo, you need something that will output in mono. Most 70v systems are mono for this very reason.


I wouldn't connect any more than one pair of speakers to each speaker output on a speaker selector. As you want to keep your ohms load in the correct range. Two 8ohm speakers in parallel equals 4ohms, and is not something I recommend doing.


I guess you could have two speaker selectors in place, each being connected to one of the main amps selector channels (A or B). Just need to make sure you never have A & B on at the same time, unless you have a Amp that can handle a 4ohm load.


If you want to use standard 8ohm amps, you need to have a selector that has protection. Only way to balance the load for that many speakers, and you will be able to play them all at once if wanted.



Might be cheaper to get 2-3 of these

http://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-108229-6-Channel-Speaker-Selector/dp/B005E2YI7A/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1445302079&sr=8-8&keywords=speaker+selector


and maybe a couple of

http://www.amazon.com/Lepai-LP-2020A-Tripath-Class-T-Amplifier/dp/B0049P6OTI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445302184&sr=8-1&keywords=t-amp

or

http://www.amazon.com/SMSL-50Wx2-TDA7492-Amplifier-Adapter/dp/B00F0H8TOC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445302184&sr=8-3&keywords=t-amp


One amp for each selector. Maybe use a big amp for the speakers that would need to get the loudest, and the rest can be put on the smaller amps.

Depending on your main amp, you could use the pre-outs from the main amp to feed the smaller amps. So the Main receiver does all the input switching.





Or you can buy all 70v equipment.

http://www.amazon.com/Crown-135MA-Amplifier-70-100-Commercial/dp/B0014Z01UO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445302424&sr=8-3&keywords=70v+amp

http://www.amazon.com/JBL-CSS8008-Commercial-Multi-Tap-Transformer/dp/B004W4EB9G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1445302489&sr=8-1&keywords=70v+speakers

or

http://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Sound-Speaker-70-7V-2W-Transformer/dp/B005Y6G8B0/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445302489&sr=8-3&keywords=70v+speakers
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Is there an audio Installation company's label anywhere?

I's be looking really hard for one and contact them. Since their wiring is still there their price should be quite reasonable. They may even sell (at a discount) you back the components they removed when the owner stiffed then too.

You could also try just calling local companies and inquire if the were the original installers.

As you can see by the responses, you're biting off a big chunk of work fro yourself.
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I was under the impression that since he has pairs in each room and they are home run, that they are stereo sets. It certainly doesn't sound like they're in series room to room.

Running 15 pairs in a home driven off of a quality multi zone amplifier would be fine. I may have said multi channel in my previous post, my error. I never meant to imply running all 15 in parallel off of one speaker output was a good idea. But you could double up zones that are close by for sure.

For smaller systems we used to use a Home theater receiver to switch outputs, and send the signal to a multi zone amplifier or speaker selector. Or, on bigger systems we had a speaker controller such as a crestron or speakercraft multi channel amp send the audio to the speakers based on what zone was on. We then had a keypad on the wall run over a cat 5 cable or cresnet. Each wall keypad had either several buttons you could select cable/cd/radio/xm, Vol Up/Down, etc...or a small screen with a scroll wheel to select inputs and volume up and down controls. I did several houses in this method, not all with 15 pairs of speakers, but the method is sound, and did not need to be a 70v system. I don't see why this couldn't be reproduced on a more cost effective scale, just may not have the fancy controls with the in wall keypads.

I thought, typically a 70v system was for running multiple speakers in series, not in parallel in an industrial or commercial environment? I honestly never set one up during my time doing home theater and whole house audio, so I don't know.

I like billbartuska's recommendation, but that will likely not be the most cost effective solution. Dzillas monoprice 6 channel selector is a good idea, that is along the lines of what I was thinking. You can use a home theater receiver with a zone 2, or a stereo receiver, and use that to control the audio sources, then send the signal to a speaker selector. I would try to find one that uses an IR Remote though, then you could get a DIY universal remote like a logitech harmony to control the sources.

Smarthome sells some keypad IR Emitter systems you could use to control the zones in each room too. But it really depends on what kind of money you (or your parents) want to spend on this, I also don't know how robust they are.

again, its been several years since I did this stuff. I don't want to mislead, but in the 2 and a half years I worked with this stuff, I installed countless speakercraft whole house audio controller designed to do exactly what you're looking for.
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In a 70v system you run everything in parallel, and you can have as many speakers as you wish.



I would try to figure out how everything is wired first. Then price together a system to fit your budget. Speakers selector method is probably the best way to go, just make sure the wiring is setup for this.
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If I have 30 wires, its probably only 15 pairs then, right? Anyways it's still a lot. As long as the original control system is disconnected, I can just run the speakers from the speaker selector sans-in-wall-controller without an issue, and just patch up the holes by the switches, ignoring the Cat5, correct?

Also, Is that toner specific for speaker wires? I have access to a toner for landscape irrigation low-voltage wiring, and was wondering if I could use that.
Could I run multiple pairs off of each selector "zone?" Like group living room, dining room, and kitchen together, hallways together, bedrooms together, etc, and only buy a 5 way speaker selector as opposed to some crazy 15 way one? Or would that still put too much strain on the amp?

EDIT: Or buy two and connect them to each channel of a 2 channel reciever?

I missed that question earlier. The toner I have is for coax, cat 5 and telephone wire type stuff and speaker wires or anything with bare leads. it has a couple of alligator clips you can clamp on to a stripped wire you turn on and then has a wand that amplifies the single so you can identify a specific wire. I've never used a landscapers tool like that, but I don't see why not? Since you have pairs of wires that are labeled, try hooking it up to one of the pairs to the nearest room, then bring the wand over and see if it generates the tone.

You could cover up the holes where the cat 5 is run. But they do sell in wall IR repeater kits that can be controlled via keypad. So if your speaker selectors had keypads, you could control them somewhat from these wall units. But I also don't see why you couldn't just cover them up and forget about them.
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In a 70v system you run everything in parallel, and you can have as many speakers as you wish.



I would try to figure out how everything is wired first. Then price together a system to fit your budget. Speakers selector method is probably the best way to go, just make sure the wiring is setup for this.

Sounds good, I never saw a 70v system in a house, but that's not to say there can't be, i'm not familiar with it. It looks like he had direct runs in pairs back to where a controller was. He needs to figure out where all the wiring goes, and then determine the best way to provide audio to all of those speakers, a speaker selector is probably the most cost effective and easiest solution.
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