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post #1911 of 4829
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Originally Posted by Peanuts4 View Post

Only my phone I have it set to 0 brightness and I use a filter, my eyes are very sensitive to white/blue light whatever so this monitor is not a lot of fun. Honestly I feel like the colors are washed out by the brightness in everyone's icc profiles that I have tried. I know TN monitors aren't known for their color reproduction but I feel like my 9 year old HP w2207 displays them better in some cases because they aren't being just washed out. Makes me really wonder what the heck is going on in the monitor industry with these crappy panels they can get away selling for $800.

It sounds like your profile is not getting applied. There is a huge difference between applied and not applied that should be visible immediately since the gamma changes dramatically. You can try the Calibration Loader from DisplayCAL to load the ICM instead of using Windows' built-in mechanisms. It also allows you to switch calibration on-off very fast.
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Originally Posted by Nukemaster View Post

Customers have simply learned and accepted less over the years.

Most LED's made it harder to get past sRBG(not like that matters because it is the standard). TW polarizers(reduce or even fully remove glow) for IPS screens are all but a memory now. Panels use more and more overdrive to get higher rated speeds at the cost of image artifacts and gaming monitors come with "gaming" presets that look awful to my eyes.

An important thing to know is that people are kind of resistant to change. so even if your old monitor was over-saturated(thus less washed out looking even if it was less accurate), you will see it as "better". With some time, you may adjust to a different monitor, but since no 2 are exactly the same, you will almost always have some reservations.

Even the VA panel I like so much may look awful to some users(since it is AdobeRGB and not sRGB the colors are actually too vibrant in many cases when used with srgb color space programs[that is about everything outside of photo editing]). My VA also had a rather grainy looking coating that never bothered me(at normal distance)

Didn't TW polarizers introduce discolouring as well? I've never seen one myself, but I've read about magenta tint in the corners when one was applied.

On a side note: I've decided to give XB271HU (27" AHVA "IPS" 144/165Hz) one last try. As I wrote before, this Dell is a terrific gaming screen, but requires quite a bit of work to get it right (calibration, ReShade in games). But for work the coating is killing me, I tried to fight it with making my UI darker, but I can't change everything. I need a screen that fits both uses smile.gif
Edited by yellows - 2/5/16 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by majnu View Post

To get a profile with high contrast ratio and low black luminance I had to move the colorimeter off centre from the screen but was told that placing it on the center is standard so I just stuck with that..
Mads I have included a version 2 of the 3D LUT in this folder. It uses a different rendering intent which I think looks better and whilst it does not eliminate banding it does smooth it out.

How are you then checking the black luminance? With the colorimeter in the centre or where you performed calibration? Every software I used indicated to place it in the centre, and I think the entire maths might be based around that assumption.
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Originally Posted by yellows View Post

How are you then checking the black luminance? With the colorimeter in the centre or where you performed calibration? Every software I used indicated to place it in the centre, and I think the entire maths might be based around that assumption.


I go by the standard and place it in the middle. It's why I think your panel's uniformity is better. I asked on AVS too and for contact mode they also said leave it in the middle.
post #1914 of 4829
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Originally Posted by Iching View Post

It will probably have to be Dell since it might be easier. I bought the monitor from Adorama and still have 3 days to exchange it. What do you think?

Dell says dark pixels are absolutely fine???

http://www.dell.com/learn/us/en/19/campaigns/dell-premium-panel-guarantee
Dell premium is available for UltraSharp, Professional and Alienware monitors .
Not sure about dell-s2716dg if not you can return it to your reseller.

I will forward you to this beautiful picture from majnu,
Edited by ToKuten - 2/5/16 at 11:56am
post #1915 of 4829
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Originally Posted by ToKuten View Post

Dell premium is available for UltraSharp, Professional and Alienware monitors .
Not sure about dell-s2716dg if not you can return it to your reseller.

I will forward you to this beautiful picture from majnu,

Haha. It doesn't bother me but between the small dead pixel and buzzying sound at low brigthness. I'm not sure.
post #1916 of 4829
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Originally Posted by Peanuts4 View Post

Only my phone I have it set to 0 brightness and I use a filter, my eyes are very sensitive to white/blue light whatever so this monitor is not a lot of fun. Honestly I feel like the colors are washed out by the brightness in everyone's icc profiles that I have tried. I know TN monitors aren't known for their color reproduction but I feel like my 9 year old HP w2207 displays them better in some cases because they aren't being just washed out. Makes me really wonder what the heck is going on in the monitor industry with these crappy panels they can get away selling for $800.

It sounds like your profile is not getting applied. There is a huge difference between applied and not applied that should be visible immediately since the gamma changes dramatically. You can try the Calibration Loader from DisplayCAL to load the ICM instead of using Windows' built-in mechanisms. It also allows you to switch calibration on-off very fast.

I might have been incorrect in that. After calibrating my XB271 and putting it side-by-side with the Dell in clone mode I'm able to confirm this. Colours are washed out even with gamma corrections from a profile. When I reset the video LUT it gets horrible. Also the difference between AG coating is like day and night. I find it hard to look at the Dell now...

On the other hand the TN-based monitor retains it's strengths in response time and lack of BLB, which seems to be getting much worse and very fast at that.... After adjusting viewing position for the Acer to mitigate the IPS glow it's on-par at gaming quality, at least for the slow-paced games I tested so far, while being better when any bright content is displayed.
post #1917 of 4829
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Originally Posted by yellows View Post

I might have been incorrect in that. After calibrating my XB271 and putting it side-by-side with the Dell in clone mode I'm able to confirm this. Colours are washed out even with gamma corrections from a profile. When I reset the video LUT it gets horrible. Also the difference between AG coating is like day and night. I find it hard to look at the Dell now...

On the other hand the TN-based monitor retains it's strengths in response time and lack of BLB, which seems to be getting much worse and very fast at that.... After adjusting viewing position for the Acer to mitigate the IPS glow it's on-par at gaming quality, at least for the slow-paced games I tested so far, while being better when any bright content is displayed.

Unless you have a monitor like the XB271HU next to the Dell i think you'd find that the dell was plenty adequate as well as lacking glow, if you didn't have an IPS with a lighter AG coating next to it to compare.
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Unless you have a monitor like the XB271HU next to the Dell i think you'd find that the dell was plenty adequate as well as lacking glow, if you didn't have an IPS with a lighter AG coating next to it to compare.

I do not agree, I've been using a normal AG TN BenQ along with a normal AG IPS Dell for a long time. As a second screen the Dell was adequate, but S2716DG's higher PPI makes the effect worse. I'm also using light AG monitors at work and unfortunately can tell the difference instantly. I really, really tried to get used to the Dell, but I just can't. It's probably the same effect as high-PPI vs. low-PPI or 60Hz vs 120+Hz.

I'm also way more sensitive to monitor flaws after spending so much time calibrating, adjusting and fiddling with different types. This is not a good thing :|

As for BLB I managed to fix it, hopefully permanently, by removing the case and the frame. So far I find that the Acer after my "modification" is superior for my uses.
Edited by yellows - 2/5/16 at 5:47pm
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I do not agree, I've been using a normal AG TN BenQ along with a normal AG IPS Dell for a long time. As a second screen the Dell was adequate, but S2716DG's higher PPI makes the effect worse. I'm also using light AG monitors at work and unfortunately can tell the difference instantly. I really, really tried to get used to the Dell, but I just can't. It's probably the same effect as high-PPI vs. low-PPI or 60Hz vs 120+Hz.

I'm also way more sensitive to monitor flaws after spending so much time calibrating, adjusting and fiddling with different types. This is not a good thing :|

As for BLB I managed to fix it, hopefully permanently, by removing the case and the frame. So far I find that the Acer after my "modification" is superior for my uses.

Well if you had the courage to do all that to the acer you could also go ahead and remove the AG coating on the dell too thumb.gif I went ahead and bought the dell for $530 and should get it next week, best price i've seen for it so far. If the monitor i get checks out with no bleed or pixel problems and the uniformity is to my liking then after a some months of use i'll see how i feel about the AG coating, if it ends up bothering me i'll see about removing it like i did with my vg248qe.
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post #1920 of 4829
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Well if you had the courage to do all that to the acer you could also go ahead and remove the AG coating on the dell too thumb.gif I went ahead and bought the dell for $530 and should get it next week, best price i've seen for it so far. If the monitor i get checks out with no bleed or pixel problems and the uniformity is to my liking then after a some months of use i'll see how i feel about the AG coating, if it ends up bothering me i'll see about removing it like i did with my vg248qe.

Hah, I think that removing the coating is on a different level than unscrewing 12 screws wink.gif

I'm not sure I would attempt it in the first place, since we're not sure that it even can be done. They might have used a water-based method of application at the factory or not... Another thing is that taking the monitor apart is reversible, while the coating affair not really tongue.gif

I hope you enjoy this monitor. It really is a step-up from a typical TN smile.gif
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