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post #2631 of 5147
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Originally Posted by k155 View Post

I am fairly certain that you will notice a difference, but only you can be the judge of whether the difference is decisive. All i can say is that I tried every calibration I could think of, and it still looked washed out in comparison to my old IPS. What's your budget? If you're willing to spend $200-250 more, I would recommend the XB271 or XB2710; if you lose the quality control lottery, you can always RMA it until you get an acceptable model.

PS. if you do opt for the Dell, make sure to crank Nvidia Digital Vibrance up to 65-70%.

I have noticed you saying this a couple times. I must call you out on it though respectfully. Did you happen to use a actual tool or borrow one to calibrate with? Because what you are saying is not really true. I can tell you this 100%. I myself have a Dell U2415 IPS. It is the direct successor to the legendary U2412M. Which I own that as well btw. I could compare easily all 3. The S2716DG was no slouch at all. It came very close to matching the quality and I found it very acceptable. Now if I did not have a tool for calibration. I say pass on the S2716DG. It is horrific out of the box and unacceptable by Dell standards. But, this is apparently common with TN's.

They don't care about calibration like their IPS offerings. No amount of tweaking and using other peoples profiles will fix it. At best. It MIGHT get you in the ball park and you possibly might see some improvement. But, you need an actual tool. I remember when I got my U2415. Its calibrated from the factory by Dell and they even provided a sheet showing the numbers and graph. While it was very close. It needed a bit more of improvement and I was able to fix that using a hardware/software calibration tool.
post #2632 of 5147
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Originally Posted by ReaperXGr View Post

Hello

I am thinking of buying the dell,but I am currently using a full hd lg ips monitor (ips277l).

My main concern is about the colours,as I am used to the ips and unfortunately all ips gsync monitors have problems.

So will I get used to it?Is it ok after calibration in comparison to an ips panel?worriedsmiley.gif

Its acceptable with a true calibration. Not using other peoples profiles or tweaking by the eye. You will see shifting depending on how you sit looking up and down straight at it. For get viewing off to the sides. Horrific. Cant be avoided with a TN. Its always there. Rather you find that acceptable. You have to judge. The one thing I did not miss was IPS glow. Well known. Looking at blacks was great again with the TN. They both have pros and cons.
post #2633 of 5147
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Originally Posted by FattysGoneWild View Post

I have noticed you saying this a couple times. I must call you out on it though respectfully. Did you happen to use a actual tool or borrow one to calibrate with? Because what you are saying is not really true. I can tell you this 100%. I myself have a Dell U2415 IPS. It is the direct successor to the legendary U2412M. Which I own that as well btw. I could compare easily all 3. The S2716DG was no slouch at all. It came very close to matching the quality and I found it very acceptable. Now if I did not have a tool for calibration. I say pass on the S2716DG. It is horrific out of the box and unacceptable by Dell standards. But, this is apparently common with TN's.

They don't care about calibration like their IPS offerings. No amount of tweaking and using other peoples profiles will fix it. At best. It MIGHT get you in the ball park and you possibly might see some improvement. But, you need an actual tool. I remember when I got my U2415. Its calibrated from the factory by Dell and they even provided a sheet showing the numbers and graph. While it was very close. It needed a bit more of improvement and I was able to fix that using a hardware/software calibration tool.

The problem is not that it's uncalibrated out of the box- as you point out, most TN's are- but that the Gamma at 2.0 is below average even by TN standards and can't really be fixed even with professional calibration tools. I first read this in a Digitaltrends review but ordered the Dell anyway hoping that they were wrong; in my experience, they weren't.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/monitor-reviews/dell-s2716dg-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qlSt3kgCpM
post #2634 of 5147
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Originally Posted by k155 View Post

The problem is not that it's uncalibrated out of the box- as you point out, most TN's are- but that the Gamma at 2.0 is below average even by TN standards and can't really be fixed even with professional calibration tools. I first read this in a Digitaltrends review but ordered the Dell anyway hoping that they were wrong; in my experience, they weren't.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/monitor-reviews/dell-s2716dg-review/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qlSt3kgCpM

I have seen it before. Read many reviews etc. I personally think they are being to hard on it and asking to much for a TN once calibrated. They have every right to beat it up all to hell out of the box. It deserves it and not acceptable at all. BUT. This is a gaming monitor first and foremost. If you have the tools. I say give it a chance. Most likely they will be pleased. Its a shame you could not compare and have the tools to do it. I think it could have changed your mind how you think about this.

I myself was quite pleased with the results. And I am a IPS snob that only buys Dell. I look at TN for what it is. The limits it has and what it can do as a whole. I know what to expect I guess you could say. If I want true color accuracy for photo work etc. IPS all the way and I have my other Dell's for that. But, just for joy. Using the net and gaming. I don't have a issue with the S2716DG once properly calibrated.
Edited by FattysGoneWild - 7/26/16 at 6:15pm
post #2635 of 5147
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Originally Posted by FattysGoneWild View Post

I have seen it before. Read many reviews etc. I personally think they are being to hard on it and asking to much for a TN once calibrated. They have every right to beat it up all to hell out of the box. It deserves it and not acceptable at all. BUT. This is a gaming monitor first and foremost. If you have the tools. I say give it a chance. Most likely they will be pleased. Its a shame you could not compare and have the tools to do it. I think it could have changed your mind how you think about this.

I myself was quite pleased with the results. And I am a IPS snob that only buys Dell. I look at TN for what it is. The limits it has and what it can do as a whole. I know what to expect I guess you could say.

You mean tools like colormunki or something similar? I would love to, but they're quite expensive. I agree that the technology is amazing for the price--$450 for a G-Sync, 1440p, 144hz, 1ms, panel is a steal-- but that slightly washed out look was driving me crazy and nothing I tried made it go away, including using TFTcentral's custom profile which they created using professional calibration tools. I do think that the Gamma issue has tragically bottlenecked an otherwise great product, but that's not to say that no one should buy it; I realize that not everyone is as obsessed with picture quality as me and that some people wouldn't care about this issue whatsoever.
post #2636 of 5147
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Originally Posted by k155 View Post

You mean tools like colormunki or something similar? I would love to, but they're quite expensive. I agree that the technology is amazing for the price--$450 for a G-Sync, 1440p, 144hz, 1ms, panel is a steal-- but that slightly washed out look was driving me crazy and nothing I tried made it go away, including using TFTcentral's custom profile which they created using professional calibration tools. I do think that the Gamma issue has tragically bottlenecked an otherwise great product, but that's not to say that no one should buy it; I realize that not everyone is as obsessed with picture quality as me and that some people wouldn't care about this issue whatsoever.

Indeed any decent calibration tool would work good. I used Colormunki Display personally. I always thought they was a waste and people are absolutely nuts paying that price for one of those. Until I seen the results. I was floored at the differences. It always shows you a before and after results. It seems pricey. But, totally worth it over time. Its not a 1 and done deal. Brightness and color shift happens over time. I calibrate all 3 monitors once a month. I totally hear what you are saying and they are certainly valid points. No argument here.
post #2637 of 5147
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Originally Posted by FattysGoneWild View Post

The warranty comes with an advanced replacement guarantee. They will never ask for a credit card and ship the replacement first. Once received. They provide a shipping label included with in the replacement and you put the bad one back in the same box. Then send it out. You can check for updates here as well. http://www.dell.com/support/incidents-online/us/en/19/SrSearch

Mine all says open and in progress still. Seems like a slow process to be honest. Upon the rep. verifying all information. I think it should be shipped on the next day or following day at the latest. This is day 3 going on 4 just to get it "approved" from the next department on up in the chain.

I am not saying you will. But, if you choose not to send it back and keep it. They will note it and never honor a Dell monitor warranty for you again most likely. They definitely want the bad one back and trusting you will send it back. But, I know some shady people out there probably don't. I could see eventually Dell changing the policy because of that one of these days.
Ok I wasnt sure about their policy. I will return as I wanted to experience Dell's supposedly good customer service.
As of now I just received an email asking to give them proof of purchase. Ya know, the same thing I provided in the chat. Oh well, pdfs and jpgs ahoy.
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post #2638 of 5147
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Ok I wasnt sure about their policy. I will return as I wanted to experience Dell's supposedly good customer service.
As of now I just received an email asking to give them proof of purchase. Ya know, the same thing I provided in the chat. Oh well, pdfs and jpgs ahoy.

Not going to be happy if they ask me for proof of invoice once again. Especially now this is going on for 3 business. Not including the weekend that just passed. My patience is starting to run thin.
post #2639 of 5147
I'm contemplating snagging this open box Dell for $424 at my local MC and a 1070.

Any reason why this monitor should be avoided?
post #2640 of 5147
Hey, I just received this monitor today and set it up. First thing I did was check the revision, which was the latest A03, manufactured in June 2016. I bought this as a slick deal from Best Buy ($450+tax shipped). Ok, so first thing I did was hook it up and loaded up Rocket League to check out the 144hz with G-Sync (I have a 970 GTX). I was impressed, the colors did look washed out but I knew that I needed to do the ICC profile and adjust the settings.

Pros:
No dead/stuck pixels, light bleed on edges much less than my old monitor
144hz and G-Sync are very enjoyable - noticable improvement
New resolution (for me) 1440p is very nice
Size of monitor is roughly the same as my old 24" (because the bezel is so small)
Vesa Mount worked well, its now mounted up on the wall
Plenty of connections, USB 3/audio etc etc

Cons:
After changing some settings, I got an audible hum that was very annoying, playing with the brightness more made it go away, I'm afraid it'll come back
Have to adjust the colors a lot and configure the monitor, not a big deal but the con is the out of the box colors are not close to ideal

I am keeping the monitor, love the value it brings for 1440p and 144hz with G-Sync (under $500!), but I will be keeping an eye out for the hum/buzz, but loving it so far. Good luck.
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