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I tried, but the shots I took looked nothing like what I really saw. I didn't want to post them. Maybe I'm just not using my camera correctly. I can definitely say the colors are not as vibrant as the Acer. Note: I haven't touched any settings other than brightness.

Guys, you can't compare quality of IPS and TN panel. I had both, and XB270HU is much better than PG278Q. Believe me. PG278Q looked like crap in comparison with Acer. Who want a great image quality, DO NOT BUY TN. It has horrible gama/color shift and very poor angles.
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Really?, my brightness is at 11 and thats too much i feel... i guess i'm more sensitive to brightness.

Everyone is different, for me 50 - 60% is fine... 11 would be craziness. Set it as you like it...
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Guys, you can't compare quality of IPS and TN panel. I had both, and XB270HU is much better than PG278Q. Believe me. PG278Q looked like crap in comparison with Acer. Who want a great image quality, DO NOT BUY TN. It has horrible gama/color shift and very poor angles.
Everyone is different, for me 50 - 60% is fine... 11 would be craziness. Set it as you like it...

Although I personally agree, I can't deal with TN myself, it is subjective, especially if you've been used to TN all your life as many people have. Plus for some people speed is everything, so if someone is looking for an IPS Freesync/G-Sync monitor, there choice is limited, and many of those choices have serious issues such as glow and bleed, as we've seen. In an ideal world, yes, IPS would be trouncing TN, but they are just not producing panels of a high enough quality yet.
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Although I personally agree, I can't deal with TN myself, it is subjective, especially if you've been used to TN all your life as many people have. Plus for some people speed is everything, so if someone is looking for an IPS Freesync/G-Sync monitor, there choice is limited, and many of those choices have serious issues such as glow and bleed, as we've seen. In an ideal world, yes, IPS would be trouncing TN, but they are just not producing panels of a high enough quality yet.

I agree. Problem is also these 144Hz IPS panels can't beat 60Hz panel from LG or Samsung in uniformity. Besides glow and bleed, seems Asus has serious problem with uniformity as well. I have LG and max. luminance variance is 10%. This Asus has up to 30%. Maybe I could live with that but there is annoying yellow tint in half top of the screen which is not acceptable.

Look at this post I've posted in PG thread:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1558309/various-asus-debuts-rog-swift-pg279q-144hz-ips-and-g-sync/4250#post_24587446
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There are so many issues with fast IPS panels at the moment and even some TN panels that I feel lucky the Dell is so far problem free!

Like I said in my video, its a great monitor for this moment in time and when the IPS / OLED technology progresses and companies actually get their act together and produce good quality products, I will look to buy one then.

I look forward to seeing if anyone in here can compare the Dell to any IPS monitor so we can see side by side how washed out it is compared to the IPS, but I don't think its so bad.

If it continues to be fine this week, i'll keep it for sure smile.gif
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I look forward to seeing if anyone in here can compare the Dell to any IPS monitor so we can see side by side how washed out it is compared to the IPS, but I don't think its so bad.

I'd be particularly interested in this, although ultimately you're relying on someone's view and perspective in the real world, as pictures/video really don't tell the whole story. Ultimately though, the current crop of so-called "premium" IPS panels really are one big lottery, so for gaming focused use the Dell certainly would appear the best option.
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couldn't disagree more. not all TN panels are equal. some TN panels are rubbish but the same goes with IPS panels.
IPS panels will generally give over saturated colours and better viewing angles but saturated does not mean good to me. I prefer more natural colours.

I have asus rog swift pg278q and as long as you sit in front the picture quality is top notch. I had IPS dell in the past (albeit 1080p) and at work I have HP ZR2440w IPS and swift's PQ is much better to me. Glow from the corners on majority of IPS displays is absolutely immersion breaking in games. and 60hz is just painful to watch once you've experienced 100hz/fps+.
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Guys, the main problem with IPS are not saturated colors or viewing angles. Main problem is uniformity across the screen. You should know that every TN panel 27" + will have vertical gama shift - it mean top of the screen darker then rest. And sides of the screen will be brighter with yellow tint. At least the ones from AUO... If you are OK with that then go ahead but for me it was unacceptable. Also not all IPS must have glow. For example, my XB270HU has left top and left bottom corners with NO glow. If all corners would be like this, it would be a kipper. However, it has bigger yellowish glow in right bottom corner and a bit in top corner. This makes it bad for dark scenes. If it is possible on left side, it must be possible at right. But in that case there must not be any BLB. All this is assembly issue and poor QC...
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Guys, you can't compare quality of IPS and TN panel. I had both, and XB270HU is much better than PG278Q. Believe me. PG278Q looked like crap in comparison with Acer. Who want a great image quality, DO NOT BUY TN. It has horrible gama/color shift and very poor angles.

Sensationalism. One could easily note that IPS glow and back-light bleed are just as bad if not worse than gamma/color shift from improper placement of a TN monitor. Also forgetting the better motion clarity with the TN panel with it's faster pixels.

Just look how horrible that 8-bit TN panel is on the left versus the IPS on the right:


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just ordered mine here http://www.computeruniverse.ru/products/90624285/dell-s2716dg.asp very cheap ! ger site

i think it will be the 1st s2716dg in Russia tongue.gif , so i have to make a youtube review biggrin.gif

Yes chances are very high it will indeed be the first in russia. And sure, go ahead and make a video review or just a video of it showing everything. smile.gif

From what I hear so far, this will be the universal monitor for the majority of gamers, with top notch price given the quality and compared to other overpriced products which got many issues.

Mine is preordered from Amazon, once it arrives, I will make sure to report if it has any pixel inversion artefacts. Recently Ive tested 2 BenQs (XL2420G and XL2430T) which both have checkerboard-effect inversion artefacts during motion on the screen. The XL2430T has faint vertical lines additionally to the inversed pixels. You need a trained eye and have brightness set to 100% to see those artefacts clearly, but they are there on both monitors I had.

It cant be my system/cables though, since:

a) I tried different DP, DVI-D cables and

b) I had the the Acer XB270HU and Asus PG279Q here like a few weeks ago and they BOTH didnt have visible inversed pixel artefacts in games/desktop.

So yeah, BenQ still has issues with inversed pixels and they are truly annoying. Thats why it is my main concern with the Dell, but juding by user reviews so far, they dont notice anything in games/desktop.

@Vega- yeah the motion blur on the Gsync IPS monitors is noticably higher than TN. As to 165Hz on the Dell- yeah I also wonder why Dell didnt implement it, give the Gsync V2 module supports it. But maybe they just didnt want to overclock things and make sure everything works without any issues and decided against overclocking the panel/gsync module. Perhaps they will add this with a firmware update... that would be cool to try nevertheless. Although its just 14% higher Hz (144-> 165) and I doubt that there is a significant visible improvement.
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couldn't disagree more. not all TN panels are equal. some TN panels are rubbish but the same goes with IPS panels. IPS panels will generally give over saturated colours and better viewing angles but saturated does not mean good to me. I prefer more natural colours.

Natural?? Errrr, NO. Why do you think all graphics professionals and photographers use IPS monitors?? Sure, you can push IPS further making it unrealistically saturated, but you can do the same to TN, just to a lesser extent.

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Guys, the main problem with IPS are not saturated colors or viewing angles. Main problem is uniformity across the screen. You should know that every TN panel 27" + will have vertical gama shift - it mean top of the screen darker then rest. And sides of the screen will be brighter with yellow tint. At least the ones from AUO... If you are OK with that then go ahead but for me it was unacceptable. Also not all IPS must have glow. For example, my XB270HU has left top and left bottom corners with NO glow. If all corners would be like this, it would be a kipper. However, it has bigger yellowish glow in right bottom corner and a bit in top corner. This makes it bad for dark scenes. If it is possible on left side, it must be possible at right. But in that case there must not be any BLB. All this is assembly issue and poor QC...

Exactly, once you get to 27", it's game over for TN regards uniformity and gamma shift... no way to avoid it. At 24" and below, it's far less of an issue. And yes, not ALL IPS monitors will have glow... I've had several where it was virtually imperceptible. No excuse for BLB though, and as you say that will be poor assembly and QC. These AUO panels are just rubbish and a sorry excuse for IPS.
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