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Thanks Nukemaster and masterotaku...Regarding my question #4, I meant Lightboost strobing is literally brighter than standard mode (no strobing at all) on the Asus VG248QE. When Lightboost gets enabled, the monitor becomes very bright, brighter than the VG248QE in standard mode at 30% beightness. It's eye-searing, that's why I don't understand why all other strobing modes ("ULMB", "Blur Reduction Mode", etc.) are so dim.

I had 3 VG248QEs and my room woukd light up like a Christmas tree when Lightboost would come on for 3D gaming (I love on 3D). on the other hand, ULMB, Blur Reduction Mode, etc. are so dim that some people are turned off by it. Complete opposite to Lightboost yet they're all just strobing the backlight.

Maybe someone with a PG278Q or S2716DG can do a comparison of Lightboost mode and ULMB...
I would guess they have a brighter backlight than some other monitors. Normal mode must limit it. It is a good move since the shutter glasses did tend to make things darker.
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Thanks Nukemaster and masterotaku...Regarding my question #4, I meant Lightboost strobing is literally brighter than standard mode (no strobing at all) on the Asus VG248QE. When Lightboost gets enabled, the monitor becomes very bright, brighter than the VG248QE in standard mode at 30% beightness. It's eye-searing, that's why I don't understand why all other strobing modes ("ULMB", "Blur Reduction Mode", etc.) are so dim.

I had 3 VG248QEs and my room woukd light up like a Christmas tree when Lightboost would come on for 3D gaming (I love on 3D). on the other hand, ULMB, Blur Reduction Mode, etc. are so dim that some people are turned off by it. Complete opposite to Lightboost yet they're all just strobing the backlight.

Maybe someone with a PG278Q or S2716DG can do a comparison of Lightboost mode and ULMB...

Lightboost increases backlight current (voltage) by 1.8x.
ULMB does NOT increase backlight voltage to compensate for strobing!

Benq blur reduction in the original Z series monitors that also supported 3d vision 2, used the same voltage wires as Lightboost, so the same 1.8x current increase occurs. Benq blur reduction and Lightboost at the same persistence values will be the same brightness (monitor must be set to 100% brightness in benq blur reduction).

Vertical Total tweaks do not directly increase the brightness. They change the persistence settings to use the 60hz persistence values, which have a longer on/off time (0.167ms per strobe duty point). by comparison, 100hz without a VT tweak is 0.1ms per strobe duty point and 120hz without a VT tweak is 0.083ms per strobe duty point. Using a VT tweak forces that refresh rate to revert to the 0.167ms persistence points, giving more brightness per point of strobe duty.

If you guys think I'm blowing numbers out of my butthole and making this up:

http://display-corner.epfl.ch/index.php/BenQ_XL2411Z

lightboost 10% at 100hz is 2.1ms1.88ms persistence and Lightboost 10% at 120hz is 1.4ms persistence.
120hz WITHOUT a VT tweak with strobe duty 017 (0.083 x 17) will have the same persistence and thus same brightness as 120hz 10% Lightboost).
120hz with a VT tweak and strobe duty 009 is 0.083 x 9 = 1.5ms, which is close to the same persistence and brightness as 120hz lightboost 10% (1.403 ms).
100hz without a VT tweak would require Strobe Duty 018 (0.1 x 18) or 19 for 1.8 or 1.9ms, to match Lightboost 10% at 100hz.
100hz with a VT tweak would require Strobe Duty 11 (0.167 x 11 = 1.837ms) to match lightboost 10% @ 100hz.
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I would guess they have a brighter backlight than some other monitors. Normal mode must limit it. It is a good move since the shutter glasses did tend to make things darker

As above, it's not a brighter backlight. it's a voltage increase. And Benq blur reduction is "dimmer" because you people don't understand how persistence values work--at 100% OSD brightness, Benq has identical brightness as Lightboost at the same persistence.

If you want to see the backlight voltage increase trigger OCP on your monitor, enable SINGLE STROBE on your Benq Z series monitor or XL2430T, at **50hz** refresh rate, then enable blur reduction and watch what happens. (50hz is missing single strobe data). Strobe Duty or persistence will have to be higher than 006, or 1.0ms for OCP/OVP to be triggered.
Edited by Falkentyne - 10/2/16 at 3:54pm
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If you want to see the backlight voltage increase trigger OCP on your monitor, enable SINGLE STROBE on your Benq Z series monitor or XL2430T, at **50hz** refresh rate, then enable blur reduction and watch what happens. (50hz is missing single strobe data). Strobe Duty or persistence will have to be higher than 006, or 1.0ms for OCP/OVP to be triggered.
I will have to pass on this. smile.gif

The current should be the only thing making the led brighter. Either way it has to be able to handle it or your backlight would not last.

Thanks for the information.

The VT trick also seems to reduce some of the crosstalk on BenQ's system(well pushes it down the screen). I found lightboost already had much less(on my monitor at least.).
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Well I've been using it for a few days, no gaming besides diablo3, and so far its been beautiful.
I dont recall ever experiencing the ghosting on any of my other monitors, and i use an HP IPS at work, so when I check overclock there, its fine.
So coming home it was always a sore thumb scrolling around and seeing that.
However since I made those adjustments I havent encountered any other blatant ghosting.
The quoted black on gray is very subtle. I have to scroll slowly and really stare to try to see it. Regular use unnoticeable.
Same with the black on white text. Very satisfied.
MInor follow up. Back at work on the IPS monitor and can confirm theres no inversion/ghosting however the text is just straight up blurry and very hard to read, period.
At home rolling the mouse wheel slowly I can scan some text and look for keywords as opposed to on this IPS.
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I will have to pass on this. smile.gif

The current should be the only thing making the led brighter. Either way it has to be able to handle it or your backlight would not last.

Thanks for the information.

The VT trick also seems to reduce some of the crosstalk on BenQ's system(well pushes it down the screen). I found lightboost already had much less(on my monitor at least.).

Lightboost uses the VT range of 1497-1502. Crosstalk is identical and can be measured with two identical monitors, 1 in Lightboost mode, one in BBR mode, at 120hz, VT 1500, and Strobe Duty set to 9 (.167 x 9 = 1.503 ms) or 8 (1.336ms); Lightboost 10% @ 120hz is 1.4ms; the crosstalk on TestUFO, Alien Invasion, full screen, will be identical pixel for pixel more or less.

The maximum persistence values that each refresh rate is designed for, which is what the maximum strobe duty value will allow (the XL2430T has either a different minimum or maximum strobe duty, as it uses 1-25 instead of 1-30). This is based on the refresh rate frame time divided by 100, which is the base persistence, like 120hz ->8.3ms -> 0.083ms (base persistence), and max strobe duty= 30, so 0.083 x 30 is 2.5ms.

For 100hz it's 10 ms -> 0.1 ms -> 0.1ms x 30 = 3 ms. So if strobe duty were 30 at 100hz and 120hz you would have 3 ms and 2.5ms of persistence.
The screen brightness (MBR+brightness 100 at max persistence) would still be dimmer than with blur reduction off @ 100 brightness, but would be very similar to using Lightboost 100%.

Using a VT tweak forces the base persistence values to revert to the 60hz settings, so 0.083ms would change to 0.167ms (a higher persistence) and 0.1ms would change to 0.167ms.
So this would mean at 120hz, 0.167 x 30 is 5.01ms, and at 100hz, the same thing. So the max persistence would be higher than what the refresh rate was designed for.

In this case, setting strobe duty to 030 and enabling blur reduction would make the screen -brighter- rather than dimmer. Whether this would degrade the LEDs is anyone's guess.

http://display-corner.epfl.ch/index.php/BenQ_XL2411Z#Backlight_pulse_width

50hz has double strobe data (as the monitor was made to double strobe at 50-85hz originally in V001 firmware), but no single strobe data, so enabling single strobe simply increases backlight current to 1.8x without a strobe signal happening. This will trigger OCP.
Edited by Falkentyne - 10/3/16 at 12:19pm
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hm, do I get this monitor or the 24" version? that is the question.
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hm, do I get this monitor or the 24" version? that is the question.

Get both and keep whichever you like more biggrin.gif
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I purchased this model three weeks ago and it failed today (won't turn on and beeps/sounds like a mice).

It was an A03 revision.
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Should I install the driver for the S2716DG? It's on the disk included, Dell's website, as well as Windows update. I noticed on the website that the driver page had "A00" and "A01" written but not "A02" nor "A03" and mine is an A02 revision.

is it even possible for a monitor driver to actually affect the monitor's behaviour/performance (eg. like a GPU or printer driver can)?
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Well I installed them on my A03 and the only thing different is that on windows it's not displaying anymore "Generic plug n play monitor" but its name.
 
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