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I'm debating on switching out my 5820k (which has an amazing mem controller, but terrible OC'er) for a 5930k for a few reasons, but my question here is this; Will there be a refresh of cpu's for the X99 platform? Any idea on a time frame? Will it be broadwell "e"? Thanks
post #2 of 15
The only advantage the 5930k has over the 5820k is more PCI-e lanes, aka only if you want something like 4-way SLI. There is legitimately nothing better about the 5930k and is a complete waste of money for everyone. (If you were going 4-way sli/cf, I'd imagine a 5960x would be used instead. rolleyes.gif)

I believe broadwell-e is set to release Q1 2016. Realistically though, the only reasonable upgrade would be to whatever the 8-core variant is. Any new 6-cores might give just a little single core performance and would not be worth the purchase.
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I tested a bunch of 5820ks a year back and none of them were able to hit 4.5ghz on any voltage. The first 5930k I tested did that no problem and is now prime stable on my machine running a year strong. To me at least the binning is very real and if you want that magic 4.5ghz you'll have a higher chance of getting it with a 5930k.

That being said I don't think it's worth dismantling your loop/ system for a potential 300mhz increase but for current buyers however it's worth a consideration because ebay prices between those two chips is less than $100.
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I tested a bunch of 5820ks a year back and none of them were able to hit 4.5ghz on any voltage. The first 5930k I tested did that no problem and is now prime stable on my machine running a year strong. To me at least the binning is very real and if you want that magic 4.5ghz you'll have a higher chance of getting it with a 5930k.

That being said I don't think it's worth dismantling your loop/ system for a potential 300mhz increase but for current buyers however it's worth a consideration because ebay prices between those two chips is less than $100.

Interesting regarding the possible binning.

Thanks for posting that! thumb.gif
post #5 of 15
I heard there was no binning between the 5930k and 5820k. I've had mine up to 4.7 before temps were getting too high for my taste. I've sure it could go higher on better cooling.
post #6 of 15
There's a pretty big difference between posting and actually being stable. Haswell hexacores capable of 4.7ghz is few and far between. The highest clocking Silicon lottery sells are 4.7ghz ones for $530 to put things into perspective. And theirs is only stable under x264 benching for an hour, which doesn't really much from my experience and can fail within a minute of running linx or non avx prime.

http://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/i7-5820k
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There's a pretty big difference between posting and actually being stable. Haswell hexacores capable of 4.7ghz is few and far between. The highest clocking Silicon lottery sells are 4.7ghz ones for $530 to put things into perspective. And theirs is only stable under x264 benching for an hour, which doesn't really much from my experience and can fail within a minute of running linx or non avx prime.

http://siliconlottery.com/collections/all/i7-5820k

Without going into an argument about "what is consider stable" as a lot comes to personal preference, but I have data showing MANY 5820k's can OC well.

Stats: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)





Statistically, they OC about the same with the 5820k costing less. As you can see, 51 data points are at 4.5GHz or more.
post #8 of 15
You took the data from the Haswell-e leaderboards right? They're all enough to post to Windows type of stability and means nothing. I complained about the leaderboards a while back about giving new owners who knows nothing about the platform a wrong impression and causing them to have unusually high expectations of their chip. They all see the leaderboards and misinterpret it as some sort of stability leaderboard when in fact it's the complete opposite. They really ought to put a disclaimer or start a stability thread that requires more proof than a cpu-z validation.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by 100cotton View Post

I heard there was no binning between the 5930k and 5820k. I've had mine up to 4.7 before temps were getting too high for my taste. I've sure it could go higher on better cooling.

Binning isn't simply a measure of frequency potential. It's also a measure of internal leakage within the CPU itself, as well as clock speed potential. The better binned a CPU is, the cooler it runs at a given clock speed and voltage, due to less internal leakage. This superior characteristic, often lends itself to higher clock speeds due to reduced heat load). Most (if not all) of the low leakage chips on a wafer end up as Xeons and the higher leakage ones end up as i7s.
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