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In an AMD’s earnings call, Lisa Su stated that the next generation AMD graphic cards will double the performance per watt delivered by the current generation (Fiji) lineup.

While it has been implied in the past that the performance jump is going to be enormous, this is one of the few times where the company has explicitly mentioned just how big the jump is going to be. Lisa Su made the following statement on the recently held earnings call for the results of the third quarter, year ended 2015:

“We are also focused on delivering our next generation GPUs in 2016 which is going to improve performance per watt by two times compared to our current offerings, based on design and architectural enhancements as well as advanced FinFET products process technology.” – Lisa Su, AMD

Fiji GPU has a total of 4096 stream processors and 8.9 Billion transistors and the die size is 596mm^2. So for double the performance, we are looking around 18 Billion transistors for the Greenland (Arctic Islands) chip. Of course, if the die size is ~500mm^2 initially then anything in the range of 15 Billion transistors goes. For the ~500mm assumption, after accounting for performance increases via architectural improvements, a gain of 66%+ (anything between 70-80% realistically) can be expected. While that is not a full 100%, it is close enough. Of course we have no idea what the stream processor size will be, so attempting to reverse engineer the exact core count would be an exercise in futility. It is a safe bet however that the number would be somewhere around the 8192 mark for a ~600mm die or around the 6784 mark for the ~500mm die (plus minus a few multiples of 128).


Source: http://wccftech.com/amd-next-generation-arctic-islands-graphic-cards-double-performance-watt-current-generation/
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 10/19/15 at 6:19pm
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It better. We've been stuck at 28nm since 2012, 14nm/16nm can't come soon enough.

Of course, being a WCCF article, everything should be taken with a grain of salt thumb.gif
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I wish she could be a little bit more specific about the date. Like I'd be fine with a quarter.

2016 could be January or December. Though I heavily doubt it will be january.
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I'm wondering if it makes it a good thing I skipped Fiji. More important, how does this shape up against Pascal?
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Performance per watt.. here comes the mid level card AMD needs to pull them out of the dumpster.

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Lisa Su stated that the next generation AMD graphic cards will double the performance per watt delivered by the current generation (Fiji) lineup.

So, regarding the "(Fiji)", they're just presuming that's what AMD mean by "current generation lineup"? AMD have never explicitly stated that Fiji is the baseline in their perf/watt claims, so jumping to conclusions based on the same perf/watt claims as before and pretending it's something new is dumb. Fiji is, of course different from the rest of AMD's current lineup in perf/watt. It's very important to get clarification on what exactly AMD mean rather than just guessing.

Also, the article is going right off the deep-end in assumptions about Greenland. AMD are claiming double performance/watt. I don't think that's accidental, I think it's a hint that Greenland is not going to be a Fiji-sized double-performance die, but rather another mid-sized die like Tahiti, GM204, GP104, etc. AMD didn't state double performance outright as the article assumes, only perf/watt.

The only quote in question from Lisa Su is:
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“We are also focused on delivering our next generation GPUs in 2016 which is going to improve performance per watt by two times compared to our current offerings, based on design and architectural enhancements as well as advanced FinFET products process technology.”

Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-next-generation-arctic-islands-graphic-cards-double-performance-watt-current-generation/#ixzz3p4H7bVwA


In other words, AMD are just saying the same thing as they were before with the same vague baseline (Fiji not mentioned) and the same perf/watt wording. This article is stupid.
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These sorts of "releases" always strike me as odd, if it's legit why would I buy a Fiji card if in a year or less I get massive improvements in both performance and efficiency. Really have to question their marketing obsoleting their latest and greatest so soon after release, especially given their perceived price to performance ratio compared to NVIDIA.
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These sorts of "releases" always strike me as odd, if it's legit why would I buy a Fiji card if in a year or less I get massive improvements in both performance and efficiency. Really have to question their marketing obsoleting their latest and greatest so soon after release, especially given their perceived price to performance ratio compared to NVIDIA.

Because the 980 Ti and low Fiji volume did that already and shifting focus to a future, more competitive product might help more. AMD are a sinking ship fighting tooth and nail to survive; they can't rely on Fiji to give them a good enthusiast-tier reputation (or even much revenue given low volume and low demand) since it's pretty much already lost to its competition. Still, AMD did not explicitly mention Fiji anywhere in the article.
Edited by Serandur - 10/19/15 at 6:52pm
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Because the 980 Ti and low Fiji volume did that already and focusing on a future, more competitive product might help more..

But a marketing strategy based on convincing people your 1 year off product is going to be great, while not focused on the merits of your current product line is a losing strategy from the get go. They are trying to convince people to not buy the competition versus selling what they have available on its own merits, where are the sales in that? Shooting themselves in the foot, I have to assume this article is click bait.
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I wish she could be a little bit more specific about the date. Like I'd be fine with a quarter.

2016 could be January or December. Though I heavily doubt it will be january.

Yeah, I feel the same too, been holding of on upgrading my HD7870 for a while now...
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