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skylake's 91W TDP is majorly IGP, like 60% of it is IGP, no i'm not kidding.

you can look at it from the i3s where the IGP is barely better than the previous.
skylake i3 TDP = 47W (IGP = 24EU @ 1150Mhz)
haswell i3 TDP = 54W (IGP = 20EU @ 1150Mhz)
ivybridge i3 TDP = 55W (IGP = 6~16EU @ 1050Mhz)
sandybridge i3 TDP = 65W (IGP = 6~12EU @ 1100Mhz)

i3s and i5s have the same igp.
post #32 of 87
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i3s and i5s have the same igp.
The same clock speed and cache as well?
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The same clock speed and cache as well?

1150Mhz vs 1350Mhz, slightly faster for the i5, and 2~3MB more cache.
though on that note, if you look at the locked i5, their TDP is 65W.

thats roughly a difference of 18W, with that two extra cores and 200Mhz more IGP clock.
it could be presumed that each core adds about 10watts of heat, considering hyperthreading is disabled in i5.
if my hypothesis is correct then the i3 2core = 20watts + hyperthreading, which leaves IGP at around 20~25W by itself.

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i3s and i5s have the same igp.

now that you mention it, yeah it does.
Edited by epic1337 - 10/20/15 at 1:02pm
post #34 of 87
i5s also run at 1150mhz. The earlier generations actually had the i5s clocked higher.
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Dunno hpw can you say that a Skylake runs cooler than previous gens, when the used TIM was plain horrible. A simple delid and changing it was giving 10C + better temps.
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Dunno hpw can you say that a Skylake runs cooler than previous gens, when the used TIM was plain horrible. A simple delid and changing it was giving 10C + better temps.

temperature is not heat.

much like celsius is far from being a numerical measurement of BTU.
post #37 of 87
Meh. I'm ok with this. My 3770k will hold out until 6/8 core is mainstream. More money for other stuff!
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Meh. I'm ok with this. My 3770k will hold out until 6/8 core is mainstream. More money for other stuff!
CPUs are pointless upgrading now when all there is to gain is a few % more than previous generation and very few games that utilize it anyway. Wait for AMD and Intel to start producing CPUs with HBM as that will most likely provide the biggest boost in overall performance compared to all previous generations of Intel Core i5 and i7 processors.
post #39 of 87
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Dunno hpw can you say that a Skylake runs cooler than previous gens, when the used TIM was plain horrible. A simple delid and changing it was giving 10C + better temps.

Sure, but that's true for Haswell and DC too.

Not exact numbers, just for demonstration but they should be fairly accurate.

4770k runs at 95c, drops to 70c with delid.

4790k runs at 85c. Drops to 70c with delid.

6700k runs at 70c. Drops to 55c with delid.

See how it's cooler?

The TIM is not good at all but the temperature is far, far lower.
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temperature is not heat.

Temperature is not heat, but in this case the temperature has dropped. I'm not bothering to measure the actual heat output in watts at the moment - it doesn't matter to most people as long as you know approximately what it is. It's temps and voltages that decide OC's
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Dunno hpw can you say that a Skylake runs cooler than previous gens, when the used TIM was plain horrible. A simple delid and changing it was giving 10C + better temps.

Sure, but that's true for Haswell and DC too.

Not exact numbers, just for demonstration but they should be fairly accurate.

4770k runs at 95c, drops to 70c with delid.

4790k runs at 85c. Drops to 70c with delid.

6700k runs at 70c. Drops to 55c with delid.

See how it's cooler?

The TIM is not good at all but the temperature is far, far lower.
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temperature is not heat.

Temperature is not heat, but in this case the temperature has dropped. I'm not bothering to measure the actual heat output in watts at the moment - it doesn't matter to most people as long as you know approximately what it is. It's temps and voltages that decide OC's

Average used price to temp? (I've been awake 30 hours, please don't make me do math)...

For someone who has say... an FX-6350 that's bottlenecking the absolute crap out of everything with a 970, which generation is it most worth my money to get?
I play BF4, Civilization V, and some other simulation games.
I WILL overclock whatever chip I get to it's absolute limit on an NH-D15 with as much voltage as I can use without throttling or killing it. My 6350 was on 1.52v for a while so you know I'm serious. I don't care about safety or chip degradation whatsoever. Just the overclock. thumb.gif (Yes I will be delidding, though it will be my first time).
So a 4770k is probably a bad choice. What about 3770k? I might get the i5 variant of whatever you suggest due to budget constraints. I have a 3570k sitting right here, but I don't want to keep it. I'm only ruling out Sandybridge as it doesn't have the features on the chipset I want. Everything else is open. I have a leaning towards DC because I acquired an ASUS z-97 PRO for $80 (broken audio I don't need). So that's something to consider... but I'm RMAing it anyway so I could sell it.

This is not exactly off topic either. My point is for you it's wasteful to invest with these miniscule performance upgrades unless you like the temp difference, but for someone as far behind as me it's wide open, but neither do I have unlimited money.
EDIT: Ok I'm done editing, sorry, bad habit.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/20/15 at 7:18pm
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