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Where did Broadwell prove its L4 cache has any use in games?

Well it has the same architecture as haswell, but with a lower clock speed, yet performs better or equal in a lot of games according to the reviews. The only other variable to consider is the L4 cache, which haswell does not have.

Here's one of many http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/core-i7-5775c-cpu-review/10/
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What? That's not exactly a comfortable ambient temp to live in. Are you an eskimo or something?

Whats so wrong about it? I cant imagine living in anywhere where it goes more than 18C. (Okay, maybe 20C in winter when theres -25C outside) I freaking hate living in hot places. At least this way both me and my PC are cool tongue.gif
I am with you there MadRabbit! These Florida Texas people are a little funny in the head. Why are you living in a place that requires you to literally stay indoors at all times? YOU LIVE ON THE GODDAMN FACE OF THE SUN. Seriously! Take two steps outside in the sun and BAM. CANCER. You never get a break from it either, it's hot in the day, hot in the night. You have three seasons of summer, then one season of something that is not winter, but not summer either. You can never sled, ice skate, ski, have a snowball fight, or anything fun. Hell, your ice cream melts before you can get it in the cone and the cone melts before you can register the disappointment.
It's true there's no snow but that's not even the reason why you can't do anything fun with it, the REAL reason is because you end up taking literally more time in the day drinking and pissing than you do sleeping. So by the time you're done having your breakfast ice water, it's already time to sell your organs to pay for the electric bill, right after you take your 4th piss of course.

Do you know people drown in their own sweat down there every day? Lots of people can't keep up with the heat, they either can't pay the electricity bill and the AC turns off, or someone opens the door to get the mail and dies on the spot, leaving the door open which kills everyone else by rabid dehydration and shock as they run to shut it. I'd call it a bloodbath but baths don't boil.

Nobody believes me when I tell them how bad it really is, they just shrug it off and take a drink. It's like trying to tell someone who's lived in a mud hut their entire life that there are much better ways to live, they just don't get it, they're not interested, they can't believe it's true so they don't. They are used to a hard, terrible, fruitless life.

I must say, I admire you people. You lunatics who have somehow mutated to survive the blaze. Humanity truly is amazing. We are the most adaptable species on the planet. Just remember, there are even limits to that. You can always put more clothes on, but you can't take more off once you're naked, and you aren't even allowed to do that! (You'll get melanoma anyway because sunscreen boils off fairly quickly above holy mother of god celsius).


If there isn't 3 feet of snow every winter I am very, very disappointed. Yesterday I had to turn on the AC! I woke up sweating! It was madness. I'll be moving north to New Hampshire soon, Connecticut is far to warm for me.
Edited by cookieboyeli - 10/21/15 at 11:40pm
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I have to say that I'm exceptionally disappointed in the 3770-6700 spread, its like intel is TRYING to let AMD catch up - but they aren't! They're having yield problems and thermal issues - a 14nm chip shouldn't produce nearly the same amount of heat as a 22nm doing the same amount of work, sheer reduction in capacitance alone should have accounted for lower thermal. But here we are - some kind of unexpected boondoggle. intel is now talking about 10nm and I think the problem here is simple. Each additional reduction in trace size is going to need an even longer development cycle possibly even to the extent of having to intentionally spread the processor out on a larger die to dissipate the heat through the cooling interface. I can only imagine how insanely hot a 10nm i7 core is going to make the tiny little patch above it. Even with the direct-to-die microfinned fluid cooling loop that was recently put forth in articles we're getting really close to the absolute limit of what an open water loop system can absorb and radiate.

Unless intel randomly whips a magic hat out of a rabbit, AMD is going to have plenty of time to catch up.

How about the fact that Intel has reduced its CPU R&D budget to focus on iGPU and others.


In the end its still letting AMD to catch up while Intel focus on getting a piece of market in the mobile world.
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I am with you there MadRabbit! These Florida Texas people are a little funny in the head. Why are you living in a place that requires you to literally stay indoors at all times? YOU LIVE ON THE GODDAMN FACE OF THE SUN. Seriously! Take two steps outside in the sun and BAM. CANCER. You never get a break from it either, it's hot in the day, hot in the night. You have three seasons of summer, then one season of something that is not winter, but not summer either. You can never sled, ice skate, ski, have a snowball fight, or anything fun. Hell, your ice cream melts before you can get it in the cone and the cone melts before you can register the disappointment.
It's true there's no snow but that's not even the reason why you can't do anything fun with it, the REAL reason is because you end up taking literally more time in the day drinking and pissing than you do sleeping. So by the time you're done having your breakfast ice water, it's already time to sell your organs to pay for the electric bill, right after you take your 4th piss of course.

Do you know people drown in their own sweat down there every day? Lots of people can't keep up with the heat, they either can't pay the electricity bill and the AC turns off, or someone opens the door to get the mail and dies on the spot, leaving the door open which kills everyone else by rabid dehydration and shock as they run to shut it. I'd call it a bloodbath but baths don't boil.

Nobody believes me when I tell them how bad it really is, they just shrug it off and take a drink. It's like trying to tell someone who's lived in a mud hut their entire life that there are much better ways to live, they just don't get it, they're not interested, they can't believe it's true so they don't. They are used to a hard, terrible, fruitless life.

I must say, I admire you people. You lunatics who have somehow mutated to survive the blaze. Humanity truly is amazing. We are the most adaptable species on the planet. Just remember, there are even limits to that. You can always put more clothes on, but you can't take more off once you're naked, and you aren't even allowed to do that! (You'll get melanoma anyway because sunscreen boils off fairly quickly above holy mother of god celsius).


If there isn't 3 feet of snow every winter I am very, very disappointed. Yesterday I had to turn on the AC! I woke up sweating! It was madness. I'll be moving north to New Hampshire soon, Connecticut is far to warm for me.

You should live where i went to school. We litterally got over 300 inches of snow a year. Some years we went past 30 ft! It starts snowing right about now and doesnt end until early May. after 5 years of that I NOPED right the hell out and went somewhere where there is only like 70 inches. So much better.
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I am with you there MadRabbit! These Florida Texas people are a little funny in the head. Why are you living in a place that requires you to literally stay indoors at all times? YOU LIVE ON THE GODDAMN FACE OF THE SUN. Seriously! Take two steps outside in the sun and BAM. CANCER. You never get a break from it either, it's hot in the day, hot in the night. You have three seasons of summer, then one season of something that is not winter, but not summer either. You can never sled, ice skate, ski, have a snowball fight, or anything fun. Hell, your ice cream melts before you can get it in the cone and the cone melts before you can register the disappointment.
It's true there's no snow but that's not even the reason why you can't do anything fun with it, the REAL reason is because you end up taking literally more time in the day drinking and pissing than you do sleeping. So by the time you're done having your breakfast ice water, it's already time to sell your organs to pay for the electric bill, right after you take your 4th piss of course.

Do you know people drown in their own sweat down there every day? Lots of people can't keep up with the heat, they either can't pay the electricity bill and the AC turns off, or someone opens the door to get the mail and dies on the spot, leaving the door open which kills everyone else by rabid dehydration and shock as they run to shut it. I'd call it a bloodbath but baths don't boil.

Nobody believes me when I tell them how bad it really is, they just shrug it off and take a drink. It's like trying to tell someone who's lived in a mud hut their entire life that there are much better ways to live, they just don't get it, they're not interested, they can't believe it's true so they don't. They are used to a hard, terrible, fruitless life.

I must say, I admire you people. You lunatics who have somehow mutated to survive the blaze. Humanity truly is amazing. We are the most adaptable species on the planet. Just remember, there are even limits to that. You can always put more clothes on, but you can't take more off once you're naked, and you aren't even allowed to do that! (You'll get melanoma anyway because sunscreen boils off fairly quickly above holy mother of god celsius).


If there isn't 3 feet of snow every winter I am very, very disappointed. Yesterday I had to turn on the AC! I woke up sweating! It was madness. I'll be moving north to New Hampshire soon, Connecticut is far to warm for me.

You should live where i went to school. We litterally got over 300 inches of snow a year. Some years we went past 30 ft! It starts snowing right about now and doesnt end until early May. after 5 years of that I NOPED right the hell out and went somewhere where there is only like 70 inches. So much better.
Yea that's too much, 70 inches sounds perfect! Last year it didn't snow until a week before february! mad.gif RIPOFF! BOO!

Has anyone dissected what that chart says 3 posts up? I... urgh tiredsmiley.gif

I'm getting a 4670k hopefully for $152.

This is all really good news though! AMD will have a much better chance at catching up since Intel and the rest of the world thinks they're hopeless. They are a little bit, but I think they'll pull through with their next generation of everything, finally gaining back some lost market share and much needed cash to reinvest in R&D. Hopefully they'll also stop cutting corners on EVERYTHING such as drivers, water pumps, coils (that whine), other cooling related stuff and, R&D budget... I like Nvidia because they do a neat job, I dislike AMD because they don't. If this changes I'll be interested again. I think it will. thumb.gif
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We all hope intel will include avx512, l4 cache and 6 cores variant in their next kaby lake performance lineup.

But we know this aint going to happen also...
Edited by guttheslayer - 10/27/15 at 4:15am
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We all hope intel will include avx512, l4 cache and 6 cores variant in their next kaby lake performance lineup.

But we know this aint going to happen also...

I would rather have 8 cores (or more) with out any L4 cashe and no iGPU. Unfortunately that would be even less likely.
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I would rather have 8 cores (or more) with out any L4 cashe and no iGPU. Unfortunately that would be even less likely.
Yeah, L4 cache is useless for gaming, unless you bring a iGPU in that CPU. Even still a L2 makes the biggest difference in gaming, rather than the bigger L3.
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We all hope intel will include avx512, l4 cache and 6 cores variant in their next kaby lake performance lineup.

But we know this aint going to happen also...

I would rather have 8 cores (or more) without any L4 cache and no iGPU. Unfortunately that would be even less likely.
They made a 2550k (2500k with no iGPU). I don't see why they can't make a separate model that doesn't have the iGPU now. The question is why wouldn't they be interested? It's clearly for their benefit as it probably have an even higher profit margin (on top of the already downright cruel margins) and they'd sell like hotcakes! Imagine, swapping the iGPU for EDRAM or HMB!! Even if they don't add extra cores or anything, come on Intel. Just take out the stupid iGPU. We are basically paying the price of a BUNDLE DEAL. when all we really want is the CPU. How much does the iGPU cost for the i5 and i7? WHat about the top Pentium and i3?
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