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To reply to everyone,


-Thanks for all your replies

-This CPU is new

-The heat sink is properly attached and puts pressure on the CPU

-Tried the fan thing.

- I'm using the latest Prime95 to get such temperatures, BUT i get the same temperatures with Intel XTU, Intel Burn in test, Aida64, OCCT, and here comes.. The Witcher 3 @ 4k , yes 100 degrees on all 4 cores.

-No i will not disable HT , i paid for that.

-Please read the intel post of the hundreds of people that have the same problems no matter what cooling solution they use.


What i'm going to do:
Tomorrow the new chip will be delivered at my office. I will put it in with the stock paste and stock cooling and test it.
Even if it works, i will still use the Hyper Evo 212 with Arctic paste. If i still get high temps... I will delid it.


A lot of people think that using the latest prime95 version will destroy cpu's and say : Yeah no wonder, ur using prime95! But, in fact there are people getting 60-80 max on stock with the same software.
And i am getting these temperatures when gaming. It's unacceptable.

I've been into computers since i was 9,
What if i was not?
This stuff u pay good money for HAS TO WORK str8 out of the box.

undervolting , delidding, rma's all that stuff is just crazy for the price u pay for. Intel needs to get their QC together.
post #12 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmddata View Post

To reply to everyone,


-Thanks for all your replies

-This CPU is new

-The heat sink is properly attached and puts pressure on the CPU

-Tried the fan thing.

- I'm using the latest Prime95 to get such temperatures, BUT i get the same temperatures with Intel XTU, Intel Burn in test, Aida64, OCCT, and here comes.. The Witcher 3 @ 4k , yes 100 degrees on all 4 cores.

-No i will not disable HT , i paid for that.

-Please read the intel post of the hundreds of people that have the same problems no matter what cooling solution they use.


What i'm going to do:
Tomorrow the new chip will be delivered at my office. I will put it in with the stock paste and stock cooling and test it.
Even if it works, i will still use the Hyper Evo 212 with Arctic paste. If i still get high temps... I will delid it.


A lot of people think that using the latest prime95 version will destroy cpu's and say : Yeah no wonder, ur using prime95! But, in fact there are people getting 60-80 max on stock with the same software.
And i am getting these temperatures when gaming. It's unacceptable.

I've been into computers since i was 9,
What if i was not?
This stuff u pay good money for HAS TO WORK str8 out of the box.

undervolting , delidding, rma's all that stuff is just crazy for the price u pay for. Intel needs to get their QC together.

Here's a few preface questions I forgot to ask, or you didn't supply info for in other posts,

What is the room temperature that the machine is in? If it's above 70 degrees, I'd move to a different room.

How much airflow is going into the case? Make sure that you not only have intake fans, but fans that exhaust just as much. (This fixed heat issues on a server of mine, it just had intakes)

Also, have you recently cleared the CMOS? (not just "default settings" in setup) If you changed the CPU on the motherboard, it may need to clear in order to do a full detection of the CPU defaults.

Not to sound like a bottom, but have you removed the socket cap on the motherboard? (people have forgot in the past, just believe me.)

It's also unlikely, but is your monitoring software reading in fahrenheit?

Final question, does the heat rise right away, or just when it's under a heavy load? I.E, You get a high idle of 70 degrees, and then the heat goes up to throttling levels once under stress. Or, in the other case, if you let it idle for long enough, the heat will climb to sever levels.

You really should temporarily disable HT for now, as it would prevent extra damage to the CPU as you try to fix the issue, and could give me more information on what causes this heat. Trust me, I've had this issue once, with this very CPU. You should get off the stock cooler ASAP though, but you could live with it, just don't expect a big overclock.
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Causes:

-Bad case flow in a warm room
-Motherboard automatically over volting
-Disable clock boost, 90c+ is common if you're running 4.4ghz on stock cooler, especially if it's being over volted by the motherboard.

You combine all of these, especially running prime95 and such, then it's no wonder temps are soo high.

You probably did that RMA for nothing.


HT does add about 10c to the CPU, and if you aren't pushing it, you won't even notice the difference. HT only adds about a 30% increase to overall performance....and 30% of the blink of an eye, is still the blink of an eye. I haven't had a single game where the 4790k was maxed out, your GPU should max out first.

The 4790k is a good chip, you just don't understand how to set it up properly.

My 4790k idles 28-35c with stock cooling, and typically maxes out at 60-76c with the most demanding real world applications (NOT prime95, it's idiotic to expect good temps running that on any I7)
Edited by AMDATI - 10/20/15 at 9:28am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDATI View Post

Causes:

-Bad case flow in a warm room
-Motherboard automatically over volting
-Disable clock boost, 90c+ is common if you're running 4.4ghz on stock cooler, especially if it's being over volted by the motherboard.

You combine all of these, especially running prime95 and such, then it's no wonder temps are soo high.

You probably did that RMA for nothing.


HT does add about 10c to the CPU, and if you aren't pushing it, you won't even notice the difference. HT only adds about a 30% increase to overall performance....and 30% of the blink of an eye, is still the blink of an eye. I haven't had a single game where the 4790k was maxed out, your GPU should max out first.

All good points, as I had just mentioned, an actual flow of air is crucial. You not only need intake, but exhaust, or else the intakes won't give it fresh air, and it's as good as no fans. The turboboost/speedstep stuff does seem to add some heat, as it is just a fancy name for automatic out-of-the-box no configuration overclocking.

I just wouldn't say that the RMA was for nothing, as it could be bad TIM application on Intel's side. The RMA was worth a shot if you ask me.
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post #15 of 86
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Here's a few preface questions I forgot to ask, or you didn't supply info for in other posts,

What is the room temperature that the machine is in? If it's above 70 degrees, I'd move to a different room.

How much airflow is going into the case? Make sure that you not only have intake fans, but fans that exhaust just as much. (This fixed heat issues on a server of mine, it just had intakes)

Also, have you recently cleared the CMOS? (not just "default settings" in setup) If you changed the CPU on the motherboard, it may need to clear in order to do a full detection of the CPU defaults.

Not to sound like a bottom, but have you removed the socket cap on the motherboard? (people have forgot in the past, just believe me.)

It's also unlikely, but is your monitoring software reading in fahrenheit?

Final question, does the heat rise right away, or just when it's under a heavy load? I.E, You get a high idle of 70 degrees, and then the heat goes up to throttling levels once under stress. Or, in the other case, if you let it idle for long enough, the heat will climb to sever levels.

You really should temporarily disable HT for now, as it would prevent extra damage to the CPU as you try to fix the issue, and could give me more information on what causes this heat. Trust me, I've had this issue once, with this very CPU. You should get off the stock cooler ASAP though, but you could live with it, just don't expect a big overclock.

Hey the room temperature is cold i'm from northern Europe (60 degrees Fahrenheit).
I am an engineer in the IT busines for several years now, i can assure you no socket caps are left behind.
Also yes cmos cleared, mobo is also brand new but i reset it twice already
Airflow is optimal 4 fans in 4 fans out.
CPU get to 100 degrees celsius on load 50-100% load. I get low idles 30 degrees Celsius.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tomytom99 View Post

All good points, as I had just mentioned, an actual flow of air is crucial. You not only need intake, but exhaust, or else the intakes won't give it fresh air, and it's as good as no fans. The turboboost/speedstep stuff does seem to add some heat, as it is just a fancy name for automatic out-of-the-box no configuration overclocking.

I just wouldn't say that the RMA was for nothing, as it could be bad TIM application on Intel's side. The RMA was worth a shot if you ask me.

Hey,
Quote:
Originally Posted by AMDATI View Post

Causes:

-Bad case flow in a warm room
-Motherboard automatically over volting
-Disable clock boost, 90c+ is common if you're running 4.4ghz on stock cooler, especially if it's being over volted by the motherboard.

You combine all of these, especially running prime95 and such, then it's no wonder temps are soo high.

You probably did that RMA for nothing.


HT does add about 10c to the CPU, and if you aren't pushing it, you won't even notice the difference. HT only adds about a 30% increase to overall performance....and 30% of the blink of an eye, is still the blink of an eye. I haven't had a single game where the 4790k was maxed out, your GPU should max out first.

The 4790k is a good chip, you just don't understand how to set it up properly.

My 4790k idles 28-35c with stock cooling, and typically maxes out at 60-76c with the most demanding real world applications (NOT prime95, it's idiotic to expect good temps running that on any I7)


I'm in an icecold room.

The airflow in my case is optimal,

The voltages on my motherboard were on automatic, Then before the RMA i undervolted the CPU and it made no difference..

Chip runes idle 30degrees and on load (realistic, not prime) 100 degrees celsius. I'm talking The Witcher 3. Which is a video game and it goes 100 Degrees, Battlefield 4 100 Degrees. Opening a browser or watching a streamed video 80 degrees.

Tomorrow i will have my new chip and trail and error will start again.

If you read the intel forcum post i linked in the beginning, the one with the hundreds of people having the same problem. They RMA'd their chips and even Intel recognized that their were faulty.

If tomorrow i get the same temps.. Well then.. if you could explain to me how you think a Gigabyte z97x SLI Revision 1.2 with Bios F7 Should be configured so that i can play my video games with the CPU on max 70 degrees using my new Hyper Evo 212.

I would appreciate it.
post #17 of 86
Your cpu cooler may not be making direct contact with the heat spreader. Try pushing on it and see if the temperature improves. What kind of TIM are you using between the cooler and cpu? What voltages is your bios setting for your input and core? What are you using to simulate being under load?

EDIT: Managed to miss the whole 2nd page of this thread. Disregard anything youve allready answered. Will wait to hear an update after you get a new chip.
Edited by kl6mk6 - 10/20/15 at 2:01pm
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I just remembered something.

When running stress tests and games ALL four cores were on turbo mode (4.4 ghz)

Now i'm getting the idea that the motherboard does apply its own custom volting and boosting at will.

After reading a bit about this phenomenon apparently it's because of gigabyte's ( ENHANCED TURBO MODE ).

Now i know for sure the new chip tomorrow is not just going to be plug and play.

But keep in mind that the temperature rise was from 30 degrees to a 100 degrees in 1.1 SECONDS on prime95 so i dont think this is the root of the problem.

What i am wondering now. With this overclock that is applies on itself with the Enhanced Turbo Mode, is the Hyper Evo 212 ENOUGH ? to just let it run like that.

Also couldn't it run the same speeds at a lower voltage? Man that mobo is crazy tho, it does not just have a vcore setting and multipliers. It has dozens of voltage tweaking for the CPU alone. not even talking about ram.

It will be a funny day tomorrow. I will send you some pictures from the bios and temperatures.
post #19 of 86
Every time you say Prime95 I cringe. I used to use it exclusively, but too many people have recommended against using it. It's even been called a "heat vampire." If you read the Haswell and Devils Canion forums they recommend x264 or realbench. I like OCCT. It probably isn't your main problem, but I would use a different program for stressing.

I'm still thinking that your 212 isn't making good contact, or you are using too much or not enough TIM. What kind of TIM are you using BTW??
post #20 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by cmddata View Post

Hey,
I'm in an icecold room.

The airflow in my case is optimal,

The voltages on my motherboard were on automatic, Then before the RMA i undervolted the CPU and it made no difference..

Chip runes idle 30degrees and on load (realistic, not prime) 100 degrees celsius. I'm talking The Witcher 3. Which is a video game and it goes 100 Degrees, Battlefield 4 100 Degrees. Opening a browser or watching a streamed video 80 degrees.

Tomorrow i will have my new chip and trail and error will start again.

If you read the intel forcum post i linked in the beginning, the one with the hundreds of people having the same problem. They RMA'd their chips and even Intel recognized that their were faulty.

If tomorrow i get the same temps.. Well then.. if you could explain to me how you think a Gigabyte z97x SLI Revision 1.2 with Bios F7 Should be configured so that i can play my video games with the CPU on max 70 degrees using my new Hyper Evo 212.

I would appreciate it.


Undervolting would do nothing if under load the motherboard over volts itself again automatically.

Also, 4.4ghz turbo is not recommended on the stock heatsink. I mean the 212 evo is itself basically only rated for 4.4ghz on a 4790k, 4.6ghz if you're pushing it. You're definitely applying more volts to get the 4.4ghz, because you're not getting 4.4 at stock volts, let alone under volts.
Edited by AMDATI - 10/20/15 at 4:37pm
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