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What revision is the board and what CPU model?

He has rev2.

The only "weapon" users now have is this:

1) Stop reccommending the motherboard to others.
2) Spread the word in fora, amazon, newegg reviews etc.

It's the only hope that will force Gigabyte to make a new BIOS to fix it. If they see their sales go down, they will do something about it. If not...
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Gigabyte seems to use the same base bios for ALL of their motherboards, regardless if they are Intel or AMD based.
They just seem to apply patch on top of a patch until they get it even remotely "working".

There is no way you can otherwise explain the hidden bios options these bioses have.
There is plenty of Intel exclusive stuff in the bios of these boards rolleyessmileyanim.gif
post #33 of 106
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Originally Posted by Undervolter View Post

He has rev2.

The only "weapon" users now have is this:

1) Stop reccommending the motherboard to others.
2) Spread the word in fora, amazon, newegg reviews etc.

It's the only hope that will force Gigabyte to make a new BIOS to fix it. If they see their sales go down, they will do something about it. If not...
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What revision?

I've put my word out heavily on 3 retail sites so far and will continue to keep an eye on Bios progress. This should be an ideal board spec wise, but it's a train wreck at effectively overclocking.

It's interesting because some people report that it's fine. Then after further digging you learn some are running everything at optimized defaults or using some funky software to overclock.
post #34 of 106
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I've put my word out heavily on 3 retail sites so far and will continue to keep an eye on Bios progress. This should be an ideal board spec wise, but it's a train wreck at effectively overclocking.

It's interesting because some people report that it's fine. Then after further digging you learn some are running everything at optimized defaults or using some funky software to overclock.

I agree with everything and it's a damn shame. And you were also the first to ring the alarm bell.

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Gigabyte seems to use the same base bios for ALL of their motherboards, regardless if they are Intel or AMD based.
They just seem to apply patch on top of a patch until they get it even remotely "working".

There is no way you can otherwise explain the hidden bios options these bioses have.
There is plenty of Intel exclusive stuff in the bios of these boards rolleyessmileyanim.gif

Now this would explain much, wouldn't it! Nice info, Stilt!
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post #35 of 106
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I've put my word out heavily on 3 retail sites so far and will continue to keep an eye on Bios progress. This should be an ideal board spec wise, but it's a train wreck at effectively overclocking.

It's interesting because some people report that it's fine. Then after further digging you learn some are running everything at optimized defaults or using some funky software to overclock.
Just assume you have to use BCLK in combination with the multi.

It's a lot better at overclocking than some boards. Just don't expect miracles given the low price. It was on sale at the egg recently for $65. It's not going to compete with a Sabertooth.

It probably would work better if:

1) Gigabyte would give it a little bit better VRM cooling.
2) The BIOS bugs would be fixed.

I can't Prime at 4.7 because of VRM heat, even though I'm now on a 360mm water loop that doesn't even have a GPU connected. rolleyes.gif However, if I were to upgrade the loop to have a 1080mm rad or something that might be enough to deal with the VRMs as they are because I did notice that disabling one of the fans on my radiator caused the VRM temps to rise.

The northbridge push pins are also stupid because of looseness which causes the TIM, which dries up, to become disconnected. I had to replace my TIM.
Edited by superstition222 - 10/26/15 at 9:23pm
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What revision is the board and what CPU model?
Revision 2. I have used an 8320E and now have an 8370E because liquid pro fused to my Zalman air cooler which had a bad nut that couldn't be unscrewed. I haven't noticed a significant difference between the two chips in terms of voltages needed for specific overclocks. They seem actually quite identical so far, which supports my initial assumption that there isn't that much binning difference between the 8320E and the 8370E. Of course, it's also possible that there was a bit of a lottery and I just happened to get chips that coincide very much. It's also possible that a better board would take me further with the 8370E but I doubt it.

The 8320E's pins ended up being damaged during the heatsink removal. There went all that time lapping as well as the money. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif I shouldn't have removed that evil Zalman cooler. I should have just gotten another motherboard and chip for the water loop. Temps were actually quite good with that Zalman, considering that it cost $20, because the bond between the carefully lapped sink and the carefully lapped chip with the liquid pro was basically perfect, with minimal TIM at all in that area. Liquid Pro is evil as well. It loves to literally explode from the syringe. It doesn't run. It doesn't shoot. It EXPLODES. Expect three feet of spewed liquid metal from a careful slow press of the syringe button. mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

Going to water didn't solve the VRM problem. I had hoped that removing more CPU heat and having more space to put in a 140mm fan would have fixed the problem. I was able to carefully jury-rig a 140mm fan with a combination of zip ties and tape but the tape doesn't last with heat exposure and there aren't enough places for the necessary zip ties to do the whole job, given the placement of the radiator and the rear fan. I tried removing the case's rear fan, too. The VRMs were about 78C at 4.5 which is good (much better than the 90+ I was getting with anything but a super-loud tiny fan with my air cooler blocking most of the space) but the amount of noise coming from the case was still too high. The fan was also not stable because of the tape.

At this point I need to come up with a water block for the VRMs, period.

This board let me boot into Windows at 5.2 GHz with all 8 cores enabled so I think getting the VRM under control will help tremendously.
post #37 of 106
Any 4phase board is no good for overclocking a 6 or 8 core,
the chokes will overheat even if you water cool the vrms, the chokes were cooking when I clocked my4300 to 1.608V and cooking when my 9370 is even at 1.428V , my 970 d3p has vrms water chilled
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Any 4phase board is no good for overclocking a 6 or 8 core,
the chokes will overheat even if you water cool the vrms, the chokes were cooking when I clocked my4300 to 1.608V and cooking when my 9370 is even at 1.428V , my 970 d3p has vrms water chilled
The UD3P is a digital VRM system that has 4 phases plus a doubler. It is not a plain 4 phase board, not one that uses analog regulation, and not one that uses low-grade VRMs.

The doubler is not as good as a true 8 phase system but a digital 4 with doubler is definitely better than an analog 4 phase board with low-grade VRMs
post #39 of 106
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The UD3P is a digital VRM system that has 4 phases plus a doubler. It is not a plain 4 phase board, not one that uses analog regulation, and not one that uses low-grade VRMs.

The doubler is not as good as a true 8 phase system but a digital 4 with doubler is definitely better than an analog 4 phase board with low-grade VRMs
As i said vrms won't be the plorbem, chokes will be the ones that cook
And I am looking at ud3p on gigabyte website
it has 8+2phases so its should be great for oc http://www.gigabyte.co.nz/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5194#ov
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Sorry for late reply.


Seem superstition as the same issue. Thank you for sharing smile.gif

I can reboot without issue be just doing Save and exit most of the time never had to reset the bios. ((( sometime it boot up at 3.3ghz for no reason when i save and exit but another reboot fix it



im currently at 4.4 1.4v medium llc without any issue. 70-80c on vrm playing gta v A bit hot but im gonna cool it when fan come in and see if i can do 4.5 4.6 + with same or close volt




The motherboard could have being the best budget one. It cant handle p95 but you still can use gaming as stress test and probably video conversion and get a mid high overclock

But gigabyte decided to follow their Chinesse mind.. Cheap out everywhere they can including bios team.


Just the fact of no fan control make it 2/10 for most enthusiast


At least it do work for my purpose. smile.gif
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