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Originally Posted by Slaughtahouse View Post

I posted this in the Fallout discussion thread as well but it's just got me rattled so I am reposting it here. Hopefully the more I spam my opinion and others do the same, something changes. I digress...

I find this to be a pretty damn shame. For one, I don't buy many PC games on disk. The ones that I do, are ones that I know I wanted to collect and show on my shelf. Second, I rarely ever use the disk again after installation. I do however have a data cap back home in Canada but it's quite high now at 200 and something gigabytes(still ridiculous that caps are a thing but that's for another day).

I usually copy over these games to a portable HDD as a backup just in case I want to delete and re-install, give to a friend or sibling or w.e the case may be. Maybe 1 out of 10 reinstalls will I use the disk. That is mainly because modern PC games usually receive a tone of patches, so much where the base game is irrelevant. Still... it's nice to be able to pop in the disk, install 12gb's of a game and maybe download 4-5 gb's of patches rather than downloading all of that. This is another reason why I periodically copy over my games to the portable disk. So I have the most recent version so I don't have to download again... and again...

I just find it annoying from the very get go, we can't even get the full game in the box. How stupid is that? I would like to be able to pop in the disk(s) and install Fallout 4 without hassle. Even if I never use it again. Heck, I am even paying MORE money for the disk version considering I can pick it up on GMG for $53 CAD. It will probably be $80 CAD at the store (69.99 + 13% tax). It's the same with MGS:V. I really want to buy that game and I want to have the physical copy at home on my shelf. But why am I spending more money on a disk that offers NO TANGIBLE BENEFIT?
At this point buying boxed versions you can't even really expect anything to be on the disc, or at least not enough to actually run a game straight from disc. Like you said, you are just buying the boxed version for collecting purposes first and foremost. Sucks, as there are still a lot of data capped or slow/bad internet users out there AND this is a single player experience which should really deserve to be included in full on any physical media that is sold. Pirates will have to go online and download extra files anyway, so there is no reason not to include full base game on the disc.
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Is it the end of the world? No but it's a crappy feeling to spend an extra $30 in my case just for a box. I am now thinking I will just buy it on GMG or something and just buy the box in the future.... I don't know. It just feels like I am being cheated but they claim it's 'piracy'. Don't give us bull Bethesda. The first comment on the article nailed it

Just.... blleeeeeeeeeeeh

Steam has become such a massive and mainstream platform that makes piracy prohibitive that developers/publishers have jumped in hard. Even if you could get full versions of a game on disc, there will inevitably be a process to tie it into Steam or whatever download manager for the majority of games, and then likely a large patches will come anyhow. It's DRM any way you look at it.

Gone are the days where you get a box with a game and a cd key that you pop in and install and play. Now, even if you get the full game you probably have to tie it to some online service/DRM even for single player games, and definitely required for any multiplayer games.
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What happens in 5 years when ISPs start limiting data? Some are already doing it. Some only have access via satellite(50gb/month max).


In a few years you will no longer buy internet based on speed, it will be data usage.
post #73 of 121
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What happens in 5 years when ISPs start limiting data? Some are already doing it. Some only have access via satellite(50gb/month max).


In a few years you will no longer buy internet based on speed, it will be data usage.
What? I think you got it backwards.
Limiting data has been the standard from the start of the internet and it is slooowly going away.

ISP's have come a long way (some more than others) from years ago and it is a matter of time with all the stuff like netflix and more streaming in general that limitless will become the standard.
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Trying to save few bucks with blaming piracy? mkay
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I didn't see crashes in Witcher 3 until moving to Maxwell. As for broken quests, it has its share. The game is already like 11 patches deep and still going.


http://www.vg247.com/2015/10/22/the-witcher-3-patch-1-11-is-coming-today-to-fix-many-bugged-quests/



Never had a crash in TW3 with my OC'ed 980 Ti... 100 hours in..

PEBCAK?
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Meh, I remember a gazillion floppies for games around the time CD Roms where still expensive like in the $500 range and I bought one to play games anyway. They can use a gazillion DVDs, so what?

Blu-ray burners are like $50. Very affordable if you wanted to buy the blu-ray version of the game.

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The next-gen consoles use blu ray disc. There is no reason why we cant get them printed the same way, except that besthesda doesnt trust the PC community aka pirates.

The reason why PC Games come on DVDs instead of Blu-ray discs is because DVD drives are pretty much the industry standard on PC, with consoles you have Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft making their consoles with Blu-ray drives, so every console will have a Blu-ray drive to read game discs, this way the user-base doesn't get separated as all models of each of the consoles can read them, this is also beneficial for the developers too as they can use the large capacity of a blu-ray disc to the fullest.

On PC the manufacturers make their PCs with DVD drives, and sometimes a Blu-ray drive.

Until Blu-ray drives become an industry standard on PC, we probably wont get PC Games on Blu-ray discs, at-least on a mass produced scale for all physical PC Games.
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Never had a crash in TW3 with my OC'ed 980 Ti... 100 hours in..

PEBCAK?

Yea, cause I was over 60 hours in with my 780 without a crash. Installed a 980 ti, started having issues. No longer have the issues after a few driver/game updates.

But yea, be a smart ass about it. thumb.gif
     
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How many PC gamers have Blu-ray drives? You ever think that maybe that's the reason? The options are A) spend a buttload in packaging and shipping a half dozen DVDs or B) distribute the game in a niche medium that few people can even use. They're not going to do both. It would be a logistical nightmare and simply not worth it to make two versions. So they'd be forced to ship on multiple DVDs. But even then, optical drives are going away in general and it would be too expensive to bother from a business standpoint.

I love how OCN tends to say, in any thread about HDDs, "Pssh, why are those dinosaurs still around? I only use solid state drives," yet also say "I want my games shipped on an outdated medium!" I understand that optical media has its niche, but it's getting to the point where digital distribution is the only distribution.

A) It wasn't uncommon for some Playstation games to be shipped on two or three or even four CDs. The PC version of GTAV is on Seven DVDs.

B) I agree Blu-ray doesn't make sense.

If optical is an outdated medium and digital distribution is the only distribution, then why is there a physical copy at all? If they're offering a physical copy, they should do it right and offer the whole game physically, not just half ass it and give you whatever they can fit on a single disc.
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Lol, like that's going to stop the pirates. Keeeeeeep trying, no amount of DRM will ever stop them.

It's not really to stop pirates, it's to stop pre-release piracy...which steam's DRM pretty much has stopped. Used to be you could grab a game before it was even released and play it and piss off people who were legit waiting to buy it, which technically WOULD affect sales.
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There are two arguments in this thread, i'd like to add my opinion too:

1. Steam is nothing close to stop piracy. Quite the contrary, Steam supported games are the games which can be pirated easily, because of the protection. Inquisition and Hardline took months to get their protection bypassed.

2. Hardware based sales are dying and you can't stop it. You can burn them into Blurays, but:

i. They are expensive,
ii. Not everyone has compatible readers,
iii. Taxes are higher for physical copes,
iv. People actually prefer client based sales and stopped caring about addind readers to builds,
v. They are physically unprotected, while steam purchased game will remain there, practically forever (that Steam will continue to exist).
vi. If someone would like to burn his Steam game into a DVD there are people and Steam services which does that.

So yeah, I support of having games under Steam/Origin clients. (No uplay 'cause i hate Ubicrap). BUT, any bonus and material should be sold separately (like cards, bonues, statuettes etc.) These are items which matter to fans, they should have right to get them by buying games over their favorite client OR via purchase method.
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