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Well.

It would be interesting if I could conduct the test myself. Is such a test easy to conduct?

sockperf is a good place to start:

https://github.com/mellanox/sockperf
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I can say in all honestly the killer 2100 was good if setup properly as cravinmild said but at current my main rig is on windows 10 and it won't let me install the drivers for my killer 2100. I have messaged bigfoot networks on this and even contacted microsoft about this am waiting on responses but I get error 1603 I believe it was and it just won't install the software or driver for the killer 2100 on windows 10. I tried on 2 or 3 machines and even on one of my fresh windows 10 installs on a hardrive just no go.

I loved my killer 2100 and again when tweaked out and setup properly it was good but key thing were to check something delay in the killer software and change ack frequency to 1 instead of 2 and reboot then go into network adapter settings right click killer 2100 go to properties and disable the windows QOS. This will allow the killer hardware to do its thing and takes alot of the double QOS issues of both windows and killer doing it this will lower pings and overall increase performance and stability of results.

I am pretty sure cravinmild was referring to me as the one who told him how to set it up properly and if memory serves he noticed a difference quite immediately vs the plug and play settings the killer had and the issue where microsoft sticks theyre nose in the middle of the killer device doing its job.
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post #54 of 93
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I can say in all honestly the killer 2100 was good if setup properly as cravinmild said but at current my main rig is on windows 10 and it won't let me install the drivers for my killer 2100. I have messaged bigfoot networks on this and even contacted microsoft about this am waiting on responses but I get error 1603 I believe it was and it just won't install the software or driver for the killer 2100 on windows 10. I tried on 2 or 3 machines and even on one of my fresh windows 10 installs on a hardrive just no go.

I loved my killer 2100 and again when tweaked out and setup properly it was good but key thing were to check something delay in the killer software and change ack frequency to 1 instead of 2 and reboot then go into network adapter settings right click killer 2100 go to properties and disable the windows QOS. This will allow the killer hardware to do its thing and takes alot of the double QOS issues of both windows and killer doing it this will lower pings and overall increase performance and stability of results.

I am pretty sure cravinmild was referring to me as the one who told him how to set it up properly and if memory serves he noticed a difference quite immediately vs the plug and play settings the killer had and the issue where microsoft sticks theyre nose in the middle of the killer device doing its job.

I just did a clean install of Windows 10 and installing the killer 2100 software worked fine. I am using the Windows 7 64 drivers. It's actually working better than it did on Windows 7 (on W7 the Killer Network Manager QOS was hit and miss, sometimes it would be up sometimes it wouldn't).

Go here to get the drivers - https://www.visiontek.com/download-drivers.html

BTW- Thanks for the heads up on disabling Windows QOS, never did that before, I look forward to the improvement!
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I can say in all honestly the killer 2100 was good if setup properly as cravinmild said but at current my main rig is on windows 10 and it won't let me install the drivers for my killer 2100. I have messaged bigfoot networks on this and even contacted microsoft about this am waiting on responses but I get error 1603 I believe it was and it just won't install the software or driver for the killer 2100 on windows 10. I tried on 2 or 3 machines and even on one of my fresh windows 10 installs on a hardrive just no go.

I loved my killer 2100 and again when tweaked out and setup properly it was good but key thing were to check something delay in the killer software and change ack frequency to 1 instead of 2 and reboot then go into network adapter settings right click killer 2100 go to properties and disable the windows QOS. This will allow the killer hardware to do its thing and takes alot of the double QOS issues of both windows and killer doing it this will lower pings and overall increase performance and stability of results.

I am pretty sure cravinmild was referring to me as the one who told him how to set it up properly and if memory serves he noticed a difference quite immediately vs the plug and play settings the killer had and the issue where microsoft sticks theyre nose in the middle of the killer device doing its job.

I just did a clean install of Windows 10 and installing the killer 2100 software worked fine. I am using the Windows 7 64 drivers. It's actually working better than it did on Windows 7 (on W7 the Killer Network Manager QOS was hit and miss, sometimes it would be up sometimes it wouldn't).

Go here to get the drivers - https://www.visiontek.com/download-drivers.html

BTW- Thanks for the heads up on disabling Windows QOS, never did that before, I look forward to the improvement!
wait till your windows 10 updates you will see the issue it is well known now and is becoming a thing that is really blowing up alot of people used these once prices on them dropped to an acceptable price can get a killer 2100 for around $25 now alot of times I got mine current one nearly new for like $15 + shipping.

I will also say the QOS issue you had was the microsoft built in QOS fighting with your killer 2100's QOS go to network device manager and right click then the killer 2100 then go to properties and uncheck the QOS this is the windows / microsofts QOS interfering with the Killer networks QOS basically 2 bulls duking it out for who has control over what gets what bandwidth and will drive your pings up to basically same as if you didn't have the killer 2100 in also go and do the killer software tweaks i mentioned in post before.
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Yep, I've had a Killer E2100 in my G1 Assassin for about 5 years, I've always felt it did it's job, my latency in games has been very low always, although I have decent internet connection too.
    
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post #57 of 93
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I can say in all honestly the killer 2100 was good if setup properly as cravinmild said but at current my main rig is on windows 10 and it won't let me install the drivers for my killer 2100. I have messaged bigfoot networks on this and even contacted microsoft about this am waiting on responses but I get error 1603 I believe it was and it just won't install the software or driver for the killer 2100 on windows 10. I tried on 2 or 3 machines and even on one of my fresh windows 10 installs on a hardrive just no go.

I loved my killer 2100 and again when tweaked out and setup properly it was good but key thing were to check something delay in the killer software and change ack frequency to 1 instead of 2 and reboot then go into network adapter settings right click killer 2100 go to properties and disable the windows QOS. This will allow the killer hardware to do its thing and takes alot of the double QOS issues of both windows and killer doing it this will lower pings and overall increase performance and stability of results.

I am pretty sure cravinmild was referring to me as the one who told him how to set it up properly and if memory serves he noticed a difference quite immediately vs the plug and play settings the killer had and the issue where microsoft sticks theyre nose in the middle of the killer device doing its job.

Ha, it was and thanks for jumping in and adding to the thread thumb.gif I had to go into my personal email, not OCN pm mail to find you wink.gif thousands of emails back, should have searched "killer nic" ... anyways

Yes those were the tricks you had mentioned to me. I had the card set to 1 but until you mentioned the QOS unchecked tip I had been running whatever windows installed default which was checked.

Thanks for jumping in again

+reps for you thumb.gif
post #58 of 93
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wait till your windows 10 updates you will see the issue it is well known now and is becoming a thing that is really blowing up alot of people used these once prices on them dropped to an acceptable price can get a killer 2100 for around $25 now alot of times I got mine current one nearly new for like $15 + shipping.

I will also say the QOS issue you had was the microsoft built in QOS fighting with your killer 2100's QOS go to network device manager and right click then the killer 2100 then go to properties and uncheck the QOS this is the windows / microsofts QOS interfering with the Killer networks QOS basically 2 bulls duking it out for who has control over what gets what bandwidth and will drive your pings up to basically same as if you didn't have the killer 2100 in also go and do the killer software tweaks i mentioned in post before.

Have you tried to set W10 to "never install driver software windows update."

Right click This PC (My Computer) > Advanced system settings > Hardware tab> Device Installation Settings > Click No, Let me choose what to do, and click Never install driver software from windows update> Save Changes > Profit?biggrin.gif
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post #59 of 93
I have a motherboard with Killer NIC (E2200 to be exact) and have no complaints about the performance.

Only real problem I have is with the software. While it is rather harmless, non-intrusive and stable, it's also completely useless and barely works.

I don't need any of the functionality of bandwitdh tracking or priority listing, the network speedtest does not work at all and that's about the limits of the app.

For some some absurd reason this app has to be installed with the drivers.
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It is a huge difference atleast in competitive gaming.

I have a Killer Wireless and a Intel Wireless and the difference between the two is huge.

Playing competitive gaming my ping goes from high 90ms to low 70ms which makes a huge difference on FPS games or games like Dota 2.

Range also got a very nice increase as I can connect to places where an Intel Wifi won't even pick up the signal.

Do you really think the performance hot in cpu usage is worth it for the network performance gained?

That's pretty much why I was not interested in the killer integrated cards.
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