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Ok, you're only seeing this as an issue because of the $30 Celeron. When you built your system and skimped on the CPU you should of know you were going to have these issues creep up sooner than later.

The only reason I see you protesting the min suggested is because they don't suit you.

I have owned all kinds of rigs, the fact that my current PC is lower end is purely by choice.

The reason I protest is because I hate lazy developers. I have written and optimized code for a 7mhz single-thread CPU. There is no excuse for such a game to demand so much processing power. If someone is prepared to actually argue my point - please provide your line of reasoning.
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I have owned all kinds of rigs, the fact that my current PC is lower end is purely by choice.

The reason I protest is because I hate lazy developers. I have written and optimized code for a 7mhz single-thread CPU. There is no excuse for such a game to demand so much processing power. If someone is prepared to actually argue my point - please provide your line of reasoning. But if your understanding of argument is to come up with theories about why I am complaining, please go do something else.


A lazy developer is one who doesn't push current hardware to the limit.

People need to stop blaming developers for their old potatoes not being able to run brand new games.
    
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Ok, you're only seeing this as an issue because of the $30 Celeron. When you built your system and skimped on the CPU you should of know you were going to have these issues creep up sooner than later.

The only reason I see you protesting the min suggested is because they don't suit you.

I have owned all kinds of rigs, the fact that my current PC is lower end is purely by choice.

The reason I protest is because I hate lazy developers. I have written and optimized code for a 7mhz single-thread CPU. There is no excuse for such a game to demand so much processing power. If someone is prepared to actually argue my point - please provide your line of reasoning.

Dude I want to know where you get it is easier to code for multi threaded performance than it is for single threaded performance facts are all windows OS's and such were designed on ancient single thread based code and was the norm now multithreaded code is becoming the norm get used to it fact is future will be more cores not heavily designed for single threaded this is because we are literally at the end of what can be done on silicon on clocks / performance per core so now the future has to be multithreaded get over it facts are facts.

Even Intel has said they can hardly do much more per core performance and are looking to increase theyre amount of cores they put in theyre chips it is the nature of the beast so get over it dual cores just don't cut the mustard and quads are borderline and to move forward there has to be change and the min specs represent this.

The future is going to be multi threaded I don't see much multithreading going on on a dual core little alone a quad core the future is looking to 4+ cores that is cold hard facts and game DEV's now realize this and are now looking in that direction so get a clue and get with the times otherwise only play your old legacy games and just deal with it your being left out because you are all about dual cores and why they are being left behind.

I want to point out your mentality is why this stuff has been so stagnant for so long facts are multithreading should have been much more adopted by now dual / quads have been optimized to point they can no longer keep up with the stuff being implimented or wanted out of games in essence dual cores and quads just cant keep up.

The next gen of gamers / programars / developers have stepped up and demanded your standards be changed that is facts I picture you as a grumpy old man that sets behind his dual core machine claiming it is all that is needed and us youngsters need to get a grip and succumb to your mentality because you think it is superior method when it isn't the age of dual cores and quads in gaming are dying out get over it and upgrade or go the way of the dinosaurs that is my final word on it get with the times and accept it duals and quads are a dying race when it comes to modern / future gaming.

I will say this maybe you need to put your dual core machine in a time capsule bury it in backyard and a few gens in your family later have it dug up just to show what was considered borderline ancient gaming specs as of this day and age might be interesting my junior high school buried a fully functional everything there first gen apple and mac computer and have it set to be dug up in 100yrs that was back in late 90's so around 2090 it is set to be dug up I just thought that might be a interesting idea for you.
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Ok, you're only seeing this as an issue because of the $30 Celeron. When you built your system and skimped on the CPU you should of know you were going to have these issues creep up sooner than later.

The only reason I see you protesting the min suggested is because they don't suit you.

I have owned all kinds of rigs, the fact that my current PC is lower end is purely by choice.

The reason I protest is because I hate lazy developers. I have written and optimized code for a 7mhz single-thread CPU. There is no excuse for such a game to demand so much processing power. If someone is prepared to actually argue my point - please provide your line of reasoning.

I will also say you need to learn as you turn up the things such as AI / physics / graphics you increase the CPU processing power required and well currently we are at limit a 1-2 core CPU can do for these and still feed the GPU and operate the OS and such in short you can only rob peter so much to pay paul before you wipe him and his neighbor out only option is to then go after entire neighborhood this is an analogy a programar used to explain this to me a few years back I thought it was a odd way to explain it but it made sense.
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I have owned all kinds of rigs, the fact that my current PC is lower end is purely by choice.

The reason I protest is because I hate lazy developers. I have written and optimized code for a 7mhz single-thread CPU. There is no excuse for such a game to demand so much processing power. If someone is prepared to actually argue my point - please provide your line of reasoning.

I don't even know what to say to this. Were you an amatuer programmer? Because we don't even know if FO4 is poorly optimized, nor do we kno how good the game looks with maxed graphics.
As a programmer you should know not to complain when you don't have even 1/4 of the variables accounted for within context of poor optimization.
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A lazy developer is one who doesn't push current hardware to the limit.

People need to stop blaming developers for their old potatoes not being able to run brand new games.

This. Game studios need to focus on pushing their games to a limit, which means pushing hardware to the limit, opposed to focusing on making it run on a low end CPU which is more suited for console game development. Of course, with Bethesda's budget and resources it would be ideal that they optimize it for a broad range of systems, but that's not realistic. The world moves fast and demands the game now. So I'd be fine if they optimized it for four or more cores on modern architecture and totally ignored everything that's lesser.
 
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This. Game studios need to focus on pushing their games to a limit, which means pushing hardware to the limit, opposed to focusing on making it run on a low end CPU which is more suited for console game development. Of course, with Bethesda's budget and resources it would be ideal that they optimize it for a broad range of systems, but that's not realistic. The world moves fast and demands the game now. So I'd be fine if they optimized it for four or more cores on modern architecture and totally ignored everything that's lesser.

Look at Unity. Impressive game but when the game is that complex then you end up with not optimized engine.
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Look at Unity. Impressive game but when the game is that complex then you end up with not optimized engine.

AC: Unity? I wouldn't know. What's so complex about it that causes it to be poorly optimized?
 
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AC: Unity? I wouldn't know. What's so complex about it that causes it to be poorly optimized?

Well the amount of people displayed on the screen. You can see how the game can look so much better but they simply cant optimize it because it will take too much time and they have to make the next game.
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