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I expect mid-range 16nm GPU to outperforms Fury. But what will the price be? It will make Fury totally obsolete.

The first 14/16nm cards will be based upon the fastest chips of their tier. This way only former flagships become obsolete and hit EOL. If AMD/nvidia were to launch their mid range first, both their previous mid range and top tier would become unappealing.
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The first 14/16nm cards will be based upon the fastest chips of their tier. This way only former flagships become obsolete and hit EOL. If AMD/nvidia were to launch their mid range first, both their previous mid range and top tier would become unappealing.

good point, a mid-tier card that performs as good as Fury or even just slightly faster at 1/2 the cost would render fury cards worthless.
while totally replacing the mid-tier as the most cost effective card at it's price range.

releasing a flagship card first at a high premium would at least preserve the cheaper cards for a while longer.

though why not a simultaneous release? it wouldn't affect the newer generation, although it would probably affect old-card inventory.
on the note of old-card inventory, i still see GTX680 going for $500, and GTX780 going for $550 here in my area, they're very much still in their "brand new" unopened box.
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OHH, now that you mentioned it, they're no longer "out-of-stock", since when?
For some time.
Anyone that wanted to buy a Fury card has been able to for a while, and with even more stock showing up ,I expect to see some rebates and Never Settle deals for the buying season.
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good point, a mid-tier card that performs as good as Fury or even just slightly faster at 1/2 the cost would render fury cards worthless.
while totally replacing the mid-tier as the most cost effective card at it's price range.

releasing a flagship card first at a high premium would at least preserve the cheaper cards for a while longer.

though why not a simultaneous release? it wouldn't affect the newer generation, although it would probably affect old-card inventory.
on the note of old-card inventory, i still see GTX680 going for $500, and GTX780 going for $550 here in my area, they're very much still in their "brand new" unopened box.
nvidia's new-old stock has been very expensive the last few generations; 270/270x/280/280x/285s have been marked down and very affordable for a year.
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though why not a simultaneous release? it wouldn't affect the newer generation, although it would probably affect old-card inventory.
on the note of old-card inventory, i still see GTX680 going for $500, and GTX780 going for $550 here in my area, they're very much still in their "brand new" unopened box.

I think you just gave the answer yourself biggrin.gif That and retail channels would get saturated . Also it is generally good idea to spread your SKUs in time a bit for many reasons.
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I think you just gave the answer yourself biggrin.gif That and retail channels would get saturated . Also it is generally good idea to spread your SKUs in time a bit for many reasons.

well, it only affects those who're in a hurry to buy GPUs, most of us would hold onto our existing card and wait for the next big wave.

in this case, i've held onto my HD7950 boost ever since it's release, no ~$250 card had been a notable upgrade over this card, well at least none locally available.
or maybe i'd end up waiting for AMD's 400 series, that might be the most logical approach concerning mid-tier cards.
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If AMD's next GPUs are tapped out now, we can spect to see tham in the september-november range. It is unrealistic to discover them in the Q1
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If AMD's next GPUs are tapped out now, we can spect to see tham in the september-november range. It is unrealistic to discover them in the Q1

In theory, the quickest time from tape-out to production samples is three months. Another couple months to market at low volume during production ramp is then possible.

That assumes AMD has silicon on hand with which to undergo validations and are willing to chance it while the foundry moves ahead with production.

It may be AMD's best shot, so they may do it. If they can beat nVidia even by a couple of weeks or more, they don't have to worry about how well Pascal does for that entire time and they can sell with huge margins.
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February 2011:
Southern Islands GPUs taped out

October 2011:
28nm mass production began at TSMC

December 2011:
First AMD 28nm GPU available on the market

Tape out to launch: 9 months


August 2015:
16nm mass production began at TSMC

August 2015:
400 series have taped out

If 16nm takes as long as 28nm, April/May is when they will be available. But I doubt thats the norm and something to rely on. Could take 6 months for all we know. Which is February
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If Greenland is the flagship and they are only confirming Ellesmere and Baffin doesn't that mean that it will not be the flagship that is released first?
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