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Performance and release date for these GPUs may be an unknown right now, but one thing is for sure: whoever is responsible for the naming scheme of the AMD GPU code names needs a pay rise. "Greenland" aside, "Ellesmere" and "Baffin" roll off the tongue deliciously, and code-names is certainly an area where AMD, or the guy responsible for the code-names, has Nvidia thoroughly beat, all ends up.

At the end of the day, I am far more enthused about buying something that is called Baffin in the future than something that is called Pascal, which sounds like an old French professor. And you wouldn't want to put one of those in your rig. AMD, you have excelled yourself. Take a bow.

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal
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Blaise Pascal (/pæˈskæl, pɑːˈskɑːl/;[1] French: [blɛz paskal]; 19 June 1623 – 19 August 1662) was a French mathematician, physicist, inventor, writer and Christian philosopher. He was a child prodigy who was educated by his father, a tax collector in Rouen. Pascal's earliest work was in the natural and applied sciences where he made important contributions to the study of fluids, and clarified the concepts of pressure and vacuum by generalizing the work of Evangelista Torricelli. Pascal also wrote in defense of the scientific method.

All of Nvidia's code names are based on major players in the history of physics, so it seems very apt.

Volta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Volta

Maxwell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell

Kepler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Kepler

Fermi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi
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Eh, I think Nvidia has the better architecture codename (Pascal vs GCN) while the chip names are better on AMD (various islands vs GPxxx)

Going to have to disagree there. There isn't any intuitive reason that Tahiti is better than Cape Verde, or that Pitcairn is slower than Fiji. Nvidia's are much, much more practical and tell you everything you need to know. If we look at some GPU, let's say GF110 (found in the 580):

  • G = graphics or GeForce or whatever, who cares, all names start with this
  • F = Fermi microarchitecture
  • 1 = first generation of Fermi, sort of like how Haswell is the first generation of, well, Haswell
  • 1 = an update within this first revision, I guess a bit like stepping in CPUs?
  • 0 = top-tier GPU


Or perhaps another one, like GK208 (very slow, don't buy it ever):

  • G = see above
  • K = Kepler microarchitecture
  • 2 = second revision of the architecture with some fairly significant tweaks, more like Devil's Canyon compared to Haswell
  • 0 = first "stepping" of this particular chipset
  • 8 = not particularly fast at all, in fact, the slowest Kepler GPU out there


AMD's islands are just a bit random. Caicos, Turks, Cedar, Cape Verde, Oland, Tahiti, Fiji, Hawaii, Pitcairn, Curaçao, Tobago, Trinidad, Tonga, Antigua, Grenada... What do these mean? One thing that I really, really don't like is that they just slap a new island on a rebrand and call it a new GPU. Antigua is a rebrand of Tonga but not a different GPU. Curaçao and Trinidad are both Pitcairn rebrands with no significant changes. And so on with, well, most of the GCN GPUs except, oddly, Tahiti. Not particularly intuitive at all.

I guess I don't mind the XT, PRO, and LE labels to indicate basically how powerful that particular GPU configuration is (so Tahiti XT is full Tahiti like the 7970 or R9 280X, while Tahiti PRO is a slightly gimped 7950 or R9 280, and finally Tahiti LE is very gimped - with a 33% smaller memory bus - and found in the 7870 XT or Myst or whatever). That's a bit nicer than Nvidia, well, not doing that, but again it's not particularly intuitive. It is consistent though, so that's something.
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I wonder when we will get the fantastic details of these Ellesmere and Baffin cards from WCCFTech. Last time they presented the juicy details of Pirate Islands from their "sources" and we got this lachen.gif

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Nobody takes WCCF seriously though. That's just common practice.
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From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaise_Pascal
All of Nvidia's code names are based on major players in the history of physics, so it seems very apt.

Volta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandro_Volta

Maxwell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clerk_Maxwell

Kepler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Kepler

Fermi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi

Huang apparently believes in 'All science is either physics or stamp collecting.' So do I. biggrin.gif
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Going to have to disagree there. There isn't any intuitive reason that Tahiti is better than Cape Verde, or that Pitcairn is slower than Fiji. Nvidia's are much, much more practical and tell you everything you need to know. If we look at some GPU, let's say GF110 (found in the 580):

So AMD have better codenames. thumb.gif
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AMD's islands are just a bit random. Caicos, Turks, Cedar, Cape Verde, Oland, Tahiti, Fiji, Hawaii, Pitcairn, Curaçao, Tobago, Trinidad, Tonga, Antigua, Grenada... What do these mean? One thing that I really, really don't like is that they just slap a new island on a rebrand and call it a new GPU. Antigua is a rebrand of Tonga but not a different GPU. Curaçao and Trinidad are both Pitcairn rebrands with no significant changes. And so on with, well, most of the GCN GPUs except, oddly, Tahiti. Not particularly intuitive at all.

I guess I don't mind the XT, PRO, and LE labels to indicate basically how powerful that particular GPU configuration is (so Tahiti XT is full Tahiti like the 7970 or R9 280X, while Tahiti PRO is a slightly gimped 7950 or R9 280, and finally Tahiti LE is very gimped - with a 33% smaller memory bus - and found in the 7870 XT or Myst or whatever). That's a bit nicer than Nvidia, well, not doing that, but again it's not particularly intuitive. It is consistent though, so that's something.

Actually AMD have released GCN1.1 parts at least for Cape Verde and Pitcairn. The problem is that their replacements are having the same specifications so that they looked like to be rebrands. And they don't have the features that distinguish GCN1.1 on desktop(with Hawaii) from Tahiti.

Amusingly I don't think there was GCN1.1 for Tahiti, but Tonga's different bus width makes the difference quite apparent.



The Pitcairn replacement.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1966/radeon-hd-8970m.html
    
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btw the codenames for the next AMD chips have been around for longer than wccftech's newest blurb, Kitguru first reported them in August.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/anton-shilov/amd-readies-three-new-gpus-for-2016-greenland-baffin-and-ellesmere/
    
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So AMD have better codenames. thumb.gif

No, I just explained why they're terrible names. What if Intel replaced all of their names with trees? The i3-Oak, the i5-Spruce, and the Pentium Conifer would be awful names.
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Actually AMD have released GCN1.1 parts at least for Cape Verde and Pitcairn. The problem is that their replacements are having the same specifications so that they looked like to be rebrands. And they don't have the features that distinguish GCN1.1 on desktop(with Hawaii) from Tahiti.

Amusingly I don't think there was GCN1.1 for Tahiti, but Tonga's different bus width makes the difference quite apparent.



The Pitcairn replacement.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/1966/radeon-hd-8970m.html

No, they're the same. Identical boards, R9 270s were relabeled 7850s at launch in some cases, and so on. Additionally, why would they leave such a massive gap in their product line-up not supporting TrueAudio and Freesync? That's asinine. Either AMD made an incredibly stupid decision and didn't advertise advertise that these were new GCN, or AMD has rebranded. A lot.

Alternatively, and I find this much more likely, you're misinterpreting what "second generation" means here. It's not that these are new cards, but rather that it's a new product line-up. In which case it would still be the second GCN generation if you call each Rx #00 series or Radeon HD #000 series a new generation. They did not advertise a new architecture however.

Also of note is that the transistor counts and die sizes never changed. It's very likely that they would. Tonga is a bit bigger than Tahiti and has close to a billion more transistors IIRC.
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Pretty sure this means Q4 release....

Why would you think that? Even if it took a year from tape out that would be early Q3 release, more likely somewhere around April..... assuming of course that this "confirmation" is true. The WWCF grain of salt is a big one.
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No, I just explained why they're terrible names. What if Intel replaced all of their names with trees? The i3-Oak, the i5-Spruce, and the Pentium Conifer would be awful names.
No, they're the same. Identical boards, R9 270s were relabeled 7850s at launch in some cases, and so on. Additionally, why would they leave such a massive gap in their product line-up not supporting TrueAudio and Freesync? That's asinine. Either AMD made an incredibly stupid decision and didn't advertise advertise that these were new GCN, or AMD has rebranded. A lot.

Alternatively, and I find this much more likely, you're misinterpreting what "second generation" means here. It's not that these are new cards, but rather that it's a new product line-up. In which case it would still be the second GCN generation if you call each Rx #00 series or Radeon HD #000 series a new generation. They did not advertise a new architecture however.

Also of note is that the transistor counts and die sizes never changed. It's very likely that they would. Tonga is a bit bigger than Tahiti and has close to a billion more transistors IIRC.

They're codenames, not names that the customers have to grapple with. So they are excellent for the purpose, which you just explained.

As for them being GCN1.1, it's OpenCL2.0 conformance that comes along with it as stated by Dave Baumann on Beyond3D, you can see it quite clearly in that slide with improving the GPU design and compute. R9 270 cards didn't make it in this list while you can see Bonaire and Hawaii alongside the 8970M.
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OpenCL™ 2.0 conformance logs submitted (pending ratification) for: AMD Radeon HD 7790, AMD Radeon HD 8770, AMD Radeon HD 8500M/8600M/8700M/8800M/8900M Series, AMD Radeon R5 M240, AMD Radeon R7 200 Series, AMD Radeon R9 290, AMD Radeon R9 290X, A-Series AMD Radeon R4 Graphics, A-Series AMD Radeon R5 Graphics, A-Series AMD Radeon R6 Graphics, A-Series AMD Radeon R7 Graphics, AMD FirePro W5100, AMD FirePro W9100, AMD FirePro S9150

http://developer.amd.com/tools-and-sdks/opencl-zone/amd-accelerated-parallel-processing-app-sdk/system-requirements-driver-compatibility/

The die sizes and transistor counts don't change because they're thought of as rebrands. So they either didn't have Freesync and Trueaudio or they did but AMD never released those chips for desktop kinda like how we're getting the 380X only as an afterthought after more than a year.
    
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It seems that they added support for some tweaked versions of Tahiti and Pitcairn? They aren't actually new GPUs or GCN 1.1. If they were GCN 1.1, we'd see performance or efficiency increases. And there is no change.
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