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Back in July my computer took a tumble, killing my hard drive. I am using this as an excuse to make the jump from an AMD Phenom II 965 to an I7 5820k. I have read through a number of topics, including the discussion on this site and believe I would be better with the more future proof 5820k then the 6700k. While I play a large number of games, the biggest usage of my CPU I believe would come from Total War: Warhammer (and any future Total War Games) and extremely heavily modded Skyrim and Fallout 4. By extremely heavily modded I don't mean just texture overhauls, etc, it will also likely have more scripts then the Royal Shakespeare; More NPC's, status effects, overhauled shadows, etc, so CPU usage will go up considerably. As it currently stands the System I plan to build looks like this:
CPU: i7 5820K
Cooler: Cooler Master RR-212E-16PK-R1 Hyper 212 Evo
Mobo: MSI Intel Lga2011-3 X99S
GPU: Superclocked EVGA Titan X (carried over from previous system, very likely 2x SLI in the near future, depends how well the system I build manages.)
Ram: Hyperx xmp Predator series 16gb 3kmhz ddr4
HDD: Samsung 1TB 850 EVO SSD
PSU: Corsair TX 850W (carried over from previous system)

tl;dr start here:
If I mod Skyrim and Fallout 4 to the absolute max, possibly even to the game engines limit (not that hard with Skyrim, Fallout 4 remains to be seen) am i likely to need to overclock the 5820K. If I do need to overclock, will the Motherboard I listed above be sufficient or will I need one closer to the £300 mark as opposed to £200 and what would you recommend? If I need to overclock or not, will the above cooler be sufficient? (using the gel that comes on said cooler, I never mastered applying the correct amount myself)

Personally I would much rather not overclock, I'm not going to make any excuses, I'm simply not man enough to toy with the power settings on any CPU, let alone a £300 one. I could also never justify the loss of CPU life for a few extra FPS. However now that modern mobo's seem to have the ability to do most of it themselves I'm a bit more open to the idea. Any advice or opinions greatly appreciated.
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I see no logic in paying for an unlocked enthusiast CPU if you have no intention of overclocking it, nor do I see it in putting a cheap 212 EVO on top of it.

You could purchase an i7 6700/h170 motherboard and be set for a long time.
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The reason I went for that CPU is that prior to Skylake it was the best gaming CPU on the market without spending £800+ and that after Skylake it has a close competitor but not much more. As I said, the 5820K v 6700K topic on this forum seems to place the 5820K as the more future proof CPU, for slightly less performance on a 4 core or less game, which are hopefully about to become a thing of the past. Again, as I said, I will overclock it if it is believed I will receive some meaningful benefit from an overclock done by the bios software. I only used the stock cooler on my Phenom II because that's all that was needed. I read that a non-stock cooler was recommended for the 5820K so I looked for a recommended cooler and that one came up. I would prefer not to get a water cooler as any primary school student will tell you that water and electricity don't go well together and because if it breaks then not only will I lose the £300 CPU but the £850 GPU below it. As unlikely as this may or may not be I am very pessimistic and the fear that something would go wrong would bug me for a very long time. Since I did not intend on overclocking at the time I felt that water cooling would not be neccesary anyway. If you believe that the CPU will be enough to get 60 FPS even when playing an extremely modded Bethesda game, which even nearly 4 years on is still hitting far higher stable resource usage (quick Google reveals 9gb+ VRAM usage screenshots) then any other game to date then I will overclock, but otherwise I see no point. If you do not believe that the cooler I linked is sufficient then if you recommended one then I would happily take it into consideration.
Edited by Nazgren - 10/23/15 at 11:14am
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The 5820k need no OC to maintain stable fps even 2 Titan-X will not be issue for 5820k but in general small oc to 4Ghz will be good idea (help in some game with minimum fps )

also you say MSI x99S which one? SLI Plus &Gaming 7 & Mpower.. etc ?
    
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Back in July my computer took a tumble, killing my hard drive. I am using this as an excuse to make the jump from an AMD Phenom II 965 to an I7 5820k. I have read through a number of topics, including the discussion on this site and believe I would be better with the more future proof 5820k then the 6700k. While I play a large number of games, the biggest usage of my CPU I believe would come from Total War: Warhammer (and any future Total War Games) and extremely heavily modded Skyrim and Fallout 4. By extremely heavily modded I don't mean just texture overhauls, etc, it will also likely have more scripts then the Royal Shakespeare; More NPC's, status effects, overhauled shadows, etc, so CPU usage will go up considerably. As it currently stands the System I plan to build looks like this:
CPU: i7 5820K
Cooler: Cooler Master RR-212E-16PK-R1 Hyper 212 Evo
Mobo: MSI Intel Lga2011-3 X99S
GPU: Superclocked EVGA Titan X (carried over from previous system, very likely 2x SLI in the near future, depends how well the system I build manages.)
Ram: Hyperx xmp Predator series 16gb 3kmhz ddr4
HDD: Samsung 1TB 850 EVO SSD
PSU: Corsair TX 850W (carried over from previous system)

tl;dr start here:
If I mod Skyrim and Fallout 4 to the absolute max, possibly even to the game engines limit (not that hard with Skyrim, Fallout 4 remains to be seen) am i likely to need to overclock the 5820K. If I do need to overclock, will the Motherboard I listed above be sufficient or will I need one closer to the £300 mark as opposed to £200 and what would you recommend? If I need to overclock or not, will the above cooler be sufficient? (using the gel that comes on said cooler, I never mastered applying the correct amount myself)

Personally I would much rather not overclock, I'm not going to make any excuses, I'm simply not man enough to toy with the power settings on any CPU, let alone a £300 one. I could also never justify the loss of CPU life for a few extra FPS. However now that modern mobo's seem to have the ability to do most of it themselves I'm a bit more open to the idea. Any advice or opinions greatly appreciated.

Not all Overclock require overvolting.

It could be possible to get a slight Overclock without increasing voltage, and even then it's not that hard to do, and as long as you don't go crazy and increase volt to insane amount, you're not likely to fry anything.
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Hello

The 5820k need no OC to maintain stable fps even 2 Titan-X will not be issue for 5820k but in general small oc to 4Ghz will be good idea (help in some game with minimum fps )

also you say MSI x99S which one? SLI Plus &Gaming 7 & Mpower.. etc ?
I have no concerns about the power of the CPU under normal gaming conditions, even with multiple Titans, what concerns me however is that with a few mods even just walking through a town can hit your CPU harder then most other games. While the 6700K would definitely get me more performance in Skyrim then the 5820K, especially at the level I intend to run it at, i am fairly confident that the near future will bring more 6 core games.

It's the Mpower, apologies, copy and paste is tricky on an iPad smile.gif.
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Not all Overclock require overvolting.
It could be possible to get a slight Overclock without increasing voltage, and even then it's not that hard to do, and as long as you don't go crazy and increase volt to insane amount, you're not likely to fry anything.
Really? I thought overclocking was achieved only by increasing voltage, but then before now I've never even considered it, let alone looked into it at any depth. Would it be possible to overclocking it to the 4Ghz Mr-Dark suggested without touching voltage or would that amount require more? In either case would the BIOS overclocking utility be sufficient?
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I have no concerns about the power of the CPU under normal gaming conditions, even with multiple Titans, what concerns me however is that with a few mods even just walking through a town can hit your CPU harder then most other games. While the 6700K would definitely get me more performance in Skyrim then the 5820K, especially at the level I intend to run it at, i am fairly confident that the near future will bring more 6 core games.

It's the Mpower, apologies, copy and paste is tricky on an iPad smile.gif.

Honestly I never play Skyrim before but if that game use +8 threads the 5820k more than enough even at stock clock 3.6Ghz

just to be clear about the 5820k oc ability the stock voltage around 1.08v most chip need 1.10v to 1.12v for 4ghz and 1.20v for 4.2ghz.. higher clock depend on the chip quality and for sure you will need strong cooler
    
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i built a system like yours but with 2 r9 290s, which are roughly equivalent to a single TitanX. Never had to oc the cpu while i used it. if i kept it longer . . . i would have. now, with two TitanX, i would think you would need to oc the cpu a bit, so a good air cooler should do the trick.

but, with Skyrim, even modded, i believe you would not need another TitanX. Both CPU and GPU will be able to max that out even in 4K. Vram would be a non-issue.

edit: do not use the 212 'cause of the 140W TPD. that cooler i think can only handle less than that.
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I have no concerns about the power of the CPU under normal gaming conditions, even with multiple Titans, what concerns me however is that with a few mods even just walking through a town can hit your CPU harder then most other games. While the 6700K would definitely get me more performance in Skyrim then the 5820K, especially at the level I intend to run it at, i am fairly confident that the near future will bring more 6 core games.

It's the Mpower, apologies, copy and paste is tricky on an iPad smile.gif.
Really? I thought overclocking was achieved only by increasing voltage, but then before now I've never even considered it, let alone looked into it at any depth. Would it be possible to overclocking it to the 4Ghz Mr-Dark suggested without touching voltage or would that amount require more? In either case would the BIOS overclocking utility be sufficient?

Whether you can reach 4ghz or not, depend on the chip, every chip is different.
There are some chip that can't overclock well at all, there are other chip that can reach high Overvolt with stock voltage, it's the silicone lottery.
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Honestly I never play Skyrim before but if that game use +8 threads the 5820k more than enough even at stock clock 3.6Ghz

just to be clear about the 5820k oc ability the stock voltage around 1.08v most chip need 1.10v to 1.12v for 4ghz and 1.20v for 4.2ghz.. higher clock depend on the chip quality and for sure you will need strong cooler
There has been much debate over how many threads Skyrim should be set to use via ini tweaks, with many reporting the physics breaking down if more threads, hyper threading, etc are turned on, but this may simply be caused by the FPS exceeding 60. Will need to do some testing myself.
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i built a system like yours but with 2 r9 290s, which are roughly equivalent to a single TitanX. Never had to oc the cpu while i used it. if i kept it longer . . . i would have. now, with two TitanX, i would think you would need to oc the cpu a bit, so a good air cooler should do the trick.

but, with Skyrim, even modded, i believe you would not need another TitanX. Both CPU and GPU will be able to max that out even in 4K. Vram would be a non-issue.

edit: do not use the 212 'cause of the 140W TPD. that cooler i think can only handle less than that.
The problem with the 290 is that (before dx12 at least) even with SLI you were stuck at 4GB VRAM, whereas there are screenshots on google of skyrim using over 9GB VRAM, mainly at 8K resolution which is what I'm aiming for. The reason I am keeping an open mind to the possible necessity of a second Titan is to have the simple GPU clock speed to keep up with that much VRAM being used that quickly. The person I mentioned with 9GB VRAM usage has 2 Titan X's, which is why I feel it may be neccesary. If I load up my installation and find myself consistantly at a FPS I am comfortable with, maybe 50+, then I wouldent bother with a second.

You both say that the cooler I selected wouldent be enough. Assuming I shot for the 4Ghz mark, could you suggest a cooler? While I would feel much more comfortable with air cooling, I recognise that temperature increases exponentially with power, so if you feel that water cooling will be a necessity then so be it. My case is a Cooler Master Storm Enforcer so the top fan can be 1x200mm or 2x120mm.
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Whether you can reach 4ghz or not, depend on the chip, every chip is different.
There are some chip that can't overclock well at all, there are other chip that can reach high Overvolt with stock voltage, it's the silicone lottery.
This does sound familiar, thank you for reminding me, I will keep this in mind. Hopefully overclocking won't be required, meaning it won't come down to luck of the draw, but that remains to be seen.
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