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There has been much debate over how many threads Skyrim should be set to use via ini tweaks, with many reporting the physics breaking down if more threads, hyper threading, etc are turned on, but this may simply be caused by the FPS exceeding 60. Will need to do some testing myself.
The problem with the 290 is that (before dx12 at least) even with SLI you were stuck at 4GB VRAM, whereas there are screenshots on google of skyrim using over 9GB VRAM, mainly at 8K resolution which is what I'm aiming for. The reason I am keeping an open mind to the possible necessity of a second Titan is to have the simple GPU clock speed to keep up with that much VRAM being used that quickly. The person I mentioned with 9GB VRAM usage has 2 Titan X's, which is why I feel it may be neccesary. If I load up my installation and find myself consistantly at a FPS I am comfortable with, maybe 50+, then I wouldent bother with a second.

You both say that the cooler I selected wouldent be enough. Assuming I shot for the 4Ghz mark, could you suggest a cooler? While I would feel much more comfortable with air cooling, I recognise that temperature increases exponentially with power, so if you feel that water cooling will be a necessity then so be it. My case is a Cooler Master Storm Enforcer so the top fan can be 1x200mm or 2x120mm.
This does sound familiar, thank you for reminding me, I will keep this in mind. Hopefully overclocking won't be required, meaning it won't come down to luck of the draw, but that remains to be seen.

i only played sky vanilla, so never really run into vram issue. but, now that i know you are shooting for 8K, then you may need 2 or more TitanX. With those, then you definitely have to oc the 5820 as high as you can. definitely.

an very good AIO will work to oc the 5820. no need for a full blast watercooling setup. use a different thermal paste than what the AIO comes with.

there are clubs for the X99 cpus and motherboards with members willing to give advise on how to properly oc.

edit: also, ask if your psu is enuf for at least two TitanX. For three, you need to upgrade.
Edited by rdr09 - 10/30/15 at 12:54am
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FWIW, I would actually consider the non-enthusiast DC/Skylate (4790k/6700k) for such things.

With the games you described, the scenario of using over 8 threads seems a bit unlikely. This means two things:
a) The two cores will barely get utilized in your games, so it is pretty much extra power draw;
b) The enthusiast platform is more expensive.


More food for thought:

1. On average, the DC (I am not sure about Skylake) will overclock a bit higher than your 5820k, and you need powerful cores in such games, especially a modded Skyrim.
2. A 212 Evo will simply not cut it if you're trying to dissipate the heat of a 5820k gone wild. (That's ~200W under full load with a mild overclock, mind you). In fact, you should not consider it at all, even if you're running stock.

And, from my own experience:
3. I've 'rolled my own' Skyrim. I ran it on a single 1920x1200p display with my 3570k @ 4.8GHz and a single R9 290 @ 1000MHz (more or less, stock).
  • I barely managed to utilize all 4GB of VRAM, and a lot of that was actually pre-allocated textures.
  • A couple of cores were constantly pegged @ 100%, while the GPU never saw any utilization over 70%
  • Skyrim ran at <60 FPS.

    I had a heavy ENB, all the 4,096x4,096 textures I could find, and plenty more animation and model overhauls.

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i only played sky vanilla, so never really run into vram issue. but, now that i know you are shooting for 8K, then you may need 2 or more TitanX. With those, then you definitely have to oc the 5820 as high as you can. definitely.

an very good AIO will work to oc the 5820. no need for a full blast watercooling setup. use a different thermal paste than what the AIO comes with.

there are clubs for the X99 cpus and motherboards with members willing to give advise on how to properly oc.

edit: also, ask if your psu is enuf for at least two TitanX. For three, you need to upgrade.
I would just settle for 4K until such a time as I could get a second Titan at which point I would also up the PSU. I may not even bother if I can get to a quality I like with just one. The problem with changing the thermal paste is I've never successfully gotten it right. I think that even my current system has too much as the CPU idles at 65 celcius without overclocking. As you can imagine that makes me somewhat apprehensive of overclocking a hotter running CPU.

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Originally Posted by fragamemnon View Post

FWIW, I would actually consider the non-enthusiast DC/Skylate (4790k/6700k) for such things.

With the games you described, the scenario of using over 8 threads seems a bit unlikely. This means two things:
a) The two cores will barely get utilized in your games, so it is pretty much extra power draw;
b) The enthusiast platform is more expensive.


More food for thought:

1. On average, the DC (I am not sure about Skylake) will overclock a bit higher than your 5820k, and you need powerful cores in such games, especially a modded Skyrim.
2. A 212 Evo will simply not cut it if you're trying to dissipate the heat of a 5820k gone wild. (That's ~200W under full load with a mild overclock, mind you). In fact, you should not consider it at all, even if you're running stock.

And, from my own experience:
3. I've 'rolled my own' Skyrim. I ran it on a single 1920x1200p display with my 3570k @ 4.8GHz and a single R9 290 @ 1000MHz (more or less, stock).
  • I barely managed to utilize all 4GB of VRAM, and a lot of that was actually pre-allocated textures.
  • A couple of cores were constantly pegged @ 100%, while the GPU never saw any utilization over 70%
  • Skyrim ran at <60 FPS.

    I had a heavy ENB, all the 4,096x4,096 textures I could find, and plenty more animation and model overhauls.
Would I see a meaningful increase in performance with a 5820K in a 6 core utilising game over the 6700K? If not then I may just go for the 6700K as you suggest. The 6700K should be plenty to run any game in the near future so I may benefit from the increased performance in skyrim more. Is the much smaller cache on the 6700K likely to cause an issue? The 6700K is also more expensive but not by any considerable amount. In either case, is the Noctua NH-D14 a better choice of Cooler? It seems to come highly recommended for the 6700k.
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