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Wait....does that not mean life was by proxy just discovered?

Not really. There is still the immeasurable gap between the most complex chemical interactions and living mechanics of organelles. A subject I know mostly nothing about, except the near common sense impossibility that somehow the right combination of compounds violently wiggling around together for a long enough time to produce organic nanomachines with specific purpose. And then for a bunch of these different mechanics to combine into something greater.
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Not really. There is still the immeasurable gap between the most complex chemical interactions and living mechanics of organelles. A subject I know mostly nothing about, except the near common sense impossibility that somehow the right combination of compounds violently wiggling around together for a long enough time to produce organic nanomachines with specific purpose. And then for a bunch of these different mechanics to combine into something greater.

According to you, humans - or the Universe - cannot exist.

Given enough time, anything that can possibly happen - more than we can imagine, I guess - will happen.
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Not really. There is still the immeasurable gap between the most complex chemical interactions and living mechanics of organelles. A subject I know mostly nothing about, except the near common sense impossibility that somehow the right combination of compounds violently wiggling around together for a long enough time to produce organic nanomachines with specific purpose. And then for a bunch of these different mechanics to combine into something greater.

It isn't like that, it doesn't happen all at once. A molecule makes it slightly more likely for similar molecules to form and it spirals. There are more of them and if one changes a bit to be even better at catalysing the formation of itself even more of that one is created. After a few billion years you get very simple life.

It is pretty easy believe in it happening that way once you have complex organics and ridiculous amounts of time. Time on that scale is hard to imagine though.
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It isn't like that, it doesn't happen all at once.
A molecule makes it slightly more likely for similar molecules to form and it spirals. There are more of them and if one changes a bit to be even better at catalysing the formation of itself even more of that one is created. After a few billion years you get very simple life.

It is pretty easy believe in it happening that way once you have complex organics and ridiculous amounts of time. Time on that scale is hard to imagine though.

Where the hell did I say it happens all at once? rolleyes.gif

It took approximately 500m years for most of the standard heavier elements and basic organic materials to appear.

Maybe you should read this so you don't confuse yourself further... fwiw, I read this research paper when it originally came out.
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The evolution of organic matter in the universe, it's an interesting read:

http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/369/1936/538

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After a few billion years you get very simple life.

Nice assumption there. Proof?


I do have a question I haven't looked into yet... Zeno Effect has been verified... what's the difference between observation and measurement? Because I'm a little confused that an atom will stay in one position if it is measured too often, but will jump around if it is not.
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Didnt they find thc on a meteor as well? Sounds like party in space!
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I do have a question I haven't looked into yet... Zeno Effect has been verified... what's the difference between observation and measurement? Because I'm a little confused that an atom will stay in one position if it is measured too often, but will jump around if it is not.

I've done a little more reading and what I still don't get is how they can observe both states... where an atom will hop to different points of the lattice, then by adjusting the brightness of the laser, they're also able to observe wave function collapse as the atom stops moving around, at least I think that's what they're talking about.

I dunno... I guess I'll just continue to have problems grasping it... and I have done lots of reading published research... understanding the mathematics would probably be beneficial. lol, no thanks. biggrin.gif
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This explains everything!

Now you know why there are UFO crash sites, they were intoxicated and under the influence of alcoholic beverages.
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Somebody wiped the scanning instrument down with alcohol and didn't let it dry properly before pointing it at a comet. biggrin.gif
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Alcohol And sugar, what else can we ask for lol.

I guess the systems out there like to party smile.gif
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Obviously the source of Romulan Ale.
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