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My Brothers system has 860K + HD 7970 and i would have to say for the most parts it's fine but the CPU is always holding the GPU back. DX12 will help though.
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In a budget build, an i5 doesn't make much sense. An i5 is $100 more expensive than the 860k. If you took a $100 from the GPU budget to put towards the i5, that doesn't leave you much for a GPU.

An 860k + r9 380 will always outperform an i5 + a GTX 750 in gaming.

In this budget range, you should shoot for all the GPU you can afford as long as the CPU is still capable, which the 860K is. Also, spending the extra on 16GB of ram for a budget gaming rig doesn't make much sense since very rarely would 8 GB even be used.

Look at his resolution. You recommend a top line GPU and a budget CPU in a low-res gaming build? Na-hah. The 16Gb was just a note, perhaps he would want to buy 1x8 instead of 2x4.
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I have read that the MSI has 6+2 power phases that might be enough to keep the 8320. Consider I do not plan to overclock. If I go with the 860k, I am losing compute power that could use for video encoding, therefore makes sense to get the most possible graphics as compensation (the origin of the first build with the 290x). If I go with more compute power like the 6300 or 8320, that would compensate for some graphic loss.

There is also a third option that I would hate, this is recycling parts from my actual build, but I am afraid of mixing new and used parts.

If you want to do video encoding and you go FX, forget the 6300 or 8320 for what matters and get 8320E and overclock it to 4Ghz. 4Ghz is like a stock 8350, so no motherboard (which is half decent) will blow up and you don't really push anything hard, since you are basically at turbo values of an 8320. I have both 6300 and 8320 and if you do video encoding, you want the 2 extra cores and 4Ghz make sense. If you don't intend to go beyond 4Ghz, you can buy even the rev2 of Gigabyte 970 UD3P and save a few $ compared to MSI. The UD3P rev2 is very good board, but it has some BIOS glitches when you overclock beyond turbo values. But 4Ghz shouldn't be a problem.

If you want to game for cheap, 860K is better choice. But in video encoding the FX will steamroll the 860K. Especially if you use high quality. The FX 8 core at 4Ghz will be roughly twice as fast as 860K at stock in video encoding in x264. In 4K-x265, you will be waiting for ages to finish on quad core.
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Drive-by intel suggestions in an AMD thread in an AMD forum don't get my full attention, even if made by a fellow JP fan.
Sorry!

I hadn't noticed which section of the forum this is, I'm just trying to help to the best of my knowledge as an owner of three Athlons smile.gif
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If you want to game for cheap, 860K is better choice. But in video encoding the FX will steamroll the 860K. Especially if you use high quality. The FX 8 core at 4Ghz will be roughly twice as fast as 860K at stock in video encoding in x264. In 4K-x265, you will be waiting for ages to finish on quad core.

Wouldnt then suffice to get any FX-8xxx and use them as is because when encoding the turbo boost will always spin to 4 Ghz?

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Wouldnt then suffice to get any FX-8xxx and use them as is because when encoding the turbo boost will always spin to 4 Ghz?


Not always. It's an opportunistic feature, not another power state.
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Wouldnt then suffice to get any FX-8xxx and use them as is because when encoding the turbo boost will always spin to 4 Ghz?


No! The turbo will never go to 4Ghz when encoding video, because video encoding loads 100% on ALL cores! An FX8320 has 2 turbos. One at 3.8 and one at 4.0. The one at 4Ghz is rarely used. It's used when 1 thread is running and the rest of cores are idle. This never happens in video encoding. The 3.8 is a bit similar, alhtough it works with 4 cores loaded and 4 idle. Again, this isn't going to happen in video encoding, only momentarily. Basically, AMD has made the turbos, in a way that they don't exceed ever the TDP limit. If the turbo would run at 4Ghz on all cores at stock voltage, it would exceed 125W TDP limit.

So, what you can do, is disable turbo and manually overclock to 4Ghz. You keep Cool N Quiet and when you encode you have all cores running at 4Ghz. As a bonus, you can actually do that while a bit undervolted. So at the end, you run with all cores at 4Ghz and without exceeding the 125W limit. For example, my 8320 comes with 1.325v stock voltage (if you disable turbo). But, to get to 4Ghz stable, you only need 1.27-1.28v (depends on the motherboard). So you run at 4Ghz undervolted (with less voltage than the 1.325v which is the stock voltage for 3.5Ghz that AMD ships the CPU).

The 8320E has lower stock clock, but overclocks with lower voltage than 8320. So you will be hitting 4Ghz with something like 1.23-1.25v, so you will be even better and certainly lower than 125W.

Basically, grab the cheapest 8 core you can find (8300, 8320, 8320E) and disable turbo and manually overclock to 4Ghz and you 're done. The 8320E will do that at the lowest voltage possible, followed by 8300 and finally 8320. And in practice you have a 8350, bought for less and running less hot/less power, because you undervolted it. So less stress on the motherboard too.
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Amazing, only thing left to know is if i can do this 4 ghz overclocking with the default stock cooler. The fx 8350 has the same as the others and it is rated to 4 ghz so i guess you can?
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Amazing, only thing left to know is if i can do this 4 ghz overclocking with the default stock cooler. The fx 8350 has the same as the others and it is rated to 4 ghz so i guess you can?

The stock cooler of the 8320, will be able to do 4Ghz, although at summer (Spain), things will probably hit around 60C and the stock cooler will become VERY noisy (it's been described as a jet taking off).

The stock cooler of 8320E and 8300 might be less good, because they are sold as 95W parts. In this case i don't know if they will be able to maintain sane temperatures. I mean, i don't know if they use the 6300 cooler or the 8320 cooler. The 6300 cooler is a joke, so i think in a spanish summer, at 4Ghz they won't be performing well.

The 8320 will definitely be fine, but be warned about the noise...

You can buy an aftermarket cooler later eventually. Something in the 25 euro range will suffice for 4Ghz. It will cool better and will less noise than the stock cooler.
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To fully utilize an 8320, you will have to spend more money on a solid motherboard and a cooling solution. The 860k is a fine choice for your budget and use.

This guy 'p4inkill3r' knows exactly what he is saying and it's the truth. I know it as well. Had an 8350 overclocked and burned up one board, replaced it with a Sabertooth and no problems.

That system was then given to my son, replaced with my sig rig below. Then built a APU system, 7850K @ 4.2ghz, Asus A88X mobo, 8 gig RAM @2400mhz for one of my other son's to game withand it works perfectly fine for gaming. I see the eventual upgrade on the APU system as an add on GFX Card, my GTX 770 when I upgrade my own system.

Hope this helps and Howdy neighbor...p4inkill3r thumb.gif
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