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This guy 'p4inkill3r' knows exactly what he is saying and it's the truth. I know it as well. Had an 8350 overclocked and burned up one board, replaced it with a Sabertooth and no problems.

At 4Ghz and undervolted he won't be burning anything. The Gigabyte 970 UD3P is 8+2 phase, tested by many to arrive safely to 4.5Ghz on 8 cores and has practically the same VRM as the Gigabyte 990FX UD3.

The main problem of the UD3P is if he gets the rev2, it has BIOS glitches when you overclock above turbo value. For 4Ghz it's fine. And the ugly UEFI. But one can live with that. If he gets lucky, he may even get rev1 which doesn't have any such issues.

I 've run 8320 at 4Ghz for months even on 4+1 Asrock 970 Extreme3 and did hours and hours of video encodning without burning anything, although that's a motherboard that isn't comparable to the UD3P.
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860K is a good budget chip, if you play games with more multi-core support it can be very close to the G3258. I like the fact that the FM2+ platform has native USB 3.0 and PCIE 3.0, etc. I would suggest that you get a quality board if you want to use the 860K though, $60 for garbage isn't worth it when the good quality boards cost only $20-30 more. VRM throttling is a pain in the butt.
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Looks like it is a 95w rated cooler, like the one i have right now... So I will need a decent cooler for cheap money. I think of the Cooler master TX3.
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I have read that the MSI has 6+2 power phases that might be enough to keep the 8320. Consider I do not plan to overclock. If I go with the 860k, I am losing compute power that could use for video encoding, therefore makes sense to get the most possible graphics as compensation (the origin of the first build with the 290x). If I go with more compute power like the 6300 or 8320, that would compensate for some graphic loss.

There is also a third option that I would hate,this is recycling parts from my actual build, but I am afraid of mixing new and used parts.
What parts do you have ? if you have a half descent psu , Ram, Bluray / DVD ,drive, fans etc you could save some money there, never be afraid to reuse parts. Sin mierdo

I´d go for the 8320e as well in your situation , ( 135 @ pccomponentes ) especially as your doing some encoding. I´ve stopped sugesting 8320 , 8350s with the extra 35w tdp, you have to look for better and more expensive cooling and MB.
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Looks like it is a 95w rated cooler, like the one i have right now... So I will need a decent cooler for cheap money. I think of the Cooler master TX3.

Yeah, that's the same cooler of the 6300. It's bad for 8 core. The "best" cooler for medium price is Cooler Master Hyper 212 evo or non evo or 212X. Whatever is cheaper. These are suited for overclock too.

If you want to spend something less, but usually with more noise, you can look at TX3, Hyper T4, Alpenfohn Sella, Scythe Katana3 AMD edition, Scythe Katana 4.

Basically, all will do for 4Ghz, but those with 92mm fan will be louder than coolers with 120mm fan.
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I play on 1366x768 using a Sapphire R9 270X Toxic and I can max most games just fine. I can even play 1080p/60 with aggressive settings tweaks (depending on game). But yeah, like Scorpion said, go with a better mobo. You're going to need it to sustain a higher OC. Add a cooler and drop the GPU to an R9 380 or GTX 960 and you'll be fine.

Looking at these benchmarks:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Systems/Quad-Core-Gaming-Hardware-Roundup/BioShock-Infinite-and-Civilization-Beyond-Earth

The sweet spot is around an R9 280. As you can see, the 290X and 980 start to show diminishing returns while the 280 is fully utilized along with the other CPU's. Therefore a 280X, R9 380 or GTX 960 should be the highest GPU upgrades for this CPU. Going by trends in the latest games, you shouldn't have to upgrade until the end of the generation. Even if you upgrade your monitor somewhere down the line, you should still be rocking very high settings at 60fps.
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At 4Ghz and undervolted he won't be burning anything. The Gigabyte 970 UD3P is 8+2 phase, tested by many to arrive safely to 4.5Ghz on 8 cores and has practically the same VRM as the Gigabyte 990FX UD3.

The main problem of the UD3P is if he gets the rev2, it has BIOS glitches when you overclock above turbo value. For 4Ghz it's fine. And the ugly UEFI. But one can live with that. If he gets lucky, he may even get rev1 which doesn't have any such issues.

I 've run 8320 at 4Ghz for months even on 4+1 Asrock 970 Extreme3 and did hours and hours of video encodning without burning anything, although that's a motherboard that isn't comparable to the UD3P.

Not arguing with you at all. Just saying the board I 'burned up/warped' was a Gigabyte 990FX UD3 Rev 1.1 it was cooled with a Corsair H110 and lots of fans. Under volting, you are prolly right. Though, I've not seen/used any AMD Cpu that didn't benefit (in gaming) from being overclocked and I've built/assembled many AMD systems over the last 25 years. My sig rig is my first Intel build in three decades.

I did manage to salvage that UD3 board and put a AMD 6350 on it, wifes rig. She won't let me overclock it, lol. It's set at 3.9ghz, at a fixed voltage, no power saving and no turbo. It runs great with no issues. For the OP's budget, that'd be my advice to him, though it would cost more.

If dollars are short? I'd wouldn't hesitate to use a APU, 7850K or better and the IGFX.

All of this I say because I'm old and time is running out for me. So, in short, life is to short to own a slow computer. thumb.gif
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Thanks everyone for all of your input, you have helped me much.
I think the definitive build is this:

Achieves both ultra gaming in 768p and high profile video encoding. The 16 gb ram helps too.

However im still open for suggestions. Thanks again a lot.
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Not arguing with you at all. Just saying the board I 'burned up/warped' was a Gigabyte 990FX UD3 Rev 1.1 it was cooled with a Corsair H110 and lots of fans. Under volting, you are prolly right. Though, I've not seen/used any AMD Cpu that didn't benefit (in gaming) from being overclocked and I've built/assembled many AMD systems over the last 25 years. My sig rig is my first Intel build in three decades.

All CPUs, either Intel or AMD, benefit from being overclocked. A warped motherboard is another problem. The VRM is something different. The VRM of the UD3P is verified to go to 4.5Ghz on little effort, to 4.7Ghz on more experience hands.

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I did manage to salvage that UD3 board and put a AMD 6350 on it, wifes rig. She won't let me overclock it, lol. It's set at 3.9ghz, at a fixed voltage, no power saving and no turbo. It runs great with no issues. For the OP's budget, that'd be my advice to him, though it would cost more.

If dollars are short? I'd wouldn't hesitate to use a APU, 7850K or better and the IGFX.

All of this I say because I'm old and time is running out for me. So, in short, life is to short to own a slow computer. thumb.gif


An FX8320 at 4Ghz, has the same single core performance of the 860K at stock 3.7Ghz speed. So game wise, if he doesn't overclock the APU, he won't be missing anything. With the difference, that will encode in x264 in half the time. And there is nothing more annoying, than having your CPU occupied at 100% for hours. Basically, for a HQ Blue Ray to x264 720p conversion, an FX 8 core at 4Ghz may take 2.5h and the 860K will take 4 1/2h+. If the quality is higher, more. If in the future he attempts to do 4K video to x265 encoding, with the APU he will have to wait 24h. And maybe i am optimistic about that. This about life being short...

Here's FX8350 (which is what he gets by OCing the 8320 at 4Ghz) vs 7850K (3.7Ghz).

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1200?vs=697
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I hadn't seen the encoding part, an AMD 8-core is definitely the best bang for the buck for that kind of workload. Beats out anything intel in the similar price range by miles as well. I've had the 970A-UD3P and it was a very good board, I was able to take an 8320 to 5150mhz with that board, some water cooling and a fan on the VRM/socket.
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