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I hadn't seen the encoding part, an AMD 8-core is definitely the best bang for the buck for that kind of workload. Beats out anything intel in the similar price range by miles as well. I've had the 970A-UD3P and it was a very good board, I was able to take an 8320 to 5150mhz with that board, some water cooling and a fan on the VRM/socket.

Yes, i 've taken the UD3P to 4.5 1.48v in test run and also to 4.8Ghz, but i aborted because my cooler couldn't cope with the heat. He can even ignore my reccommendation to undervolt and just disable turbo and APM, raise the multi to x20 and stay at 4Ghz with stock voltage. It's 99% guaranteed that he will hit 4Ghz with the stock voltage, so if he is bored to run a few IBT runs, he can just not undervolt at all... And he will still be at 125W TDP. Simply by undervolting, he could drop TDP a bit further down.

The APU would be ideal if he ONLY wanted to game on a budget. But video encoding on 4 cores? I 've done it and it's not pretty... Especially if it's your only rig for that job, because it will tie your hands for hours. It would be doable, if he had another rig to dedicate to video encoding and used this one to play. But if you want to play AND do video encoding on the same rig, then you want to finish with your video as soon as possible, to free the CPU (so that you can play). And quads aren't good at that.

On the 8 core, he can actually PLAY AND DO video encoding at reasonable speeds at the SAME time, because since most games take 1-4 cores, he will still have 4 cores free for encoding video.

In x264 encoding, FX8350 at stock is equivalent to Intel i7 3770.
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Just a inquiry, I am looking the motherboard "Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P Rev 2.0" which should be good, but there are some problems, because it has only 4+1 power phase, and I don't want to get any throttle when using FX-8350 or FX-8320. There is some dissipation in top of it but still I have read so many failures with 4+1. Would become a problem at stock speeds?

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Just a inquiry, I am looking the motherboard "Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P Rev 2.0" which should be good, but there are some problems, because it has only 4+1 power phase, and I don't want to get any throttle when using FX-8350 or FX-8320. There is some dissipation in top of it but still I have read so many failures with 4+1. Would become a problem at stock speeds?


At stock speed should be perfectly fine.
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Just a inquiry, I am looking the motherboard "Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P Rev 2.0" which should be good, but there are some problems, because it has only 4+1 power phase, and I don't want to get any throttle when using FX-8350 or FX-8320. There is some dissipation in top of it but still I have read so many failures with 4+1. Would become a problem at stock speeds?



Is there a huge price gap between that and an actual decent board that is too big to make up elsewhere in the build?
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Just a inquiry, I am looking the motherboard "Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P Rev 2.0" which should be good, but there are some problems, because it has only 4+1 power phase, and I don't want to get any throttle when using FX-8350 or FX-8320. There is some dissipation in top of it but still I have read so many failures with 4+1. Would become a problem at stock speeds?


Like Ronnin said, it will probably do fine for 4Ghz. But i must maintain one reserve, for the fact that 1) a few users of rev1 that i remember in the forum were disappointed by it, 2) there are no users of rev2 that i remember in the forum, 3) While on paper it should be fine and has VRM heatsink too, it also has only 4 pin CPU power connector, which is quite unusual for ATX form factor supporting 8 core FX. My guess is, that at 4Ghz it will be marginal and of course will likely run much hotter.

But, if you undervolt it too, i don't think it will have problem, unless it has some particularity that i don't know about (like i said, we have no forum testimonies about it, that i know about). I have used FX 8 core on 4+1 Asrock 970 Extreme3, which generally is a mediocre motherboard and had no problems, other than CPU temp going to 62C under IBT stress (cores were much cooler), but even that had 8 pin power connector...

Make no mistake. There is clear and real difference in everything between 4+1 and 8+2 motherboard. But if you can't squeeze the extra euros, you will probably be alright with the 4+1 too. You will just better never overclock beyond 4Ghz and keep an eye on your temperatures, because it's going to heat up more than 8+2.

EDIT: If you are determined to shave off a few euros, you may also consider the Biostar TA970 PLUS (there is also non plus, you don't want that). It's 6+ 1 phase and you *might* find it at say 10 euros less than the UD3P. I have it, but i haven't really ran it. But should be better than the DS3P. Here's a superficial review:

http://www.overclock.net/products/biostar-ta970-plus/reviews/7112#comments-title
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Not arguing with you at all. Just saying the board I 'burned up/warped' was a Gigabyte 990FX UD3 Rev 1.1 it was cooled with a Corsair H110 and lots of fans. Under volting, you are prolly right. Though, I've not seen/used any AMD Cpu that didn't benefit (in gaming) from being overclocked and I've built/assembled many AMD systems over the last 25 years. My sig rig is my first Intel build in three decades.

I did manage to salvage that UD3 board and put a AMD 6350 on it, wifes rig. She won't let me overclock it, lol. It's set at 3.9ghz, at a fixed voltage, no power saving and no turbo. It runs great with no issues. For the OP's budget, that'd be my advice to him, though it would cost more.

If dollars are short? I'd wouldn't hesitate to use a APU, 7850K or better and the IGFX.

All of this I say because I'm old and time is running out for me. So, in short, life is to short to own a slow computer. thumb.gif
.Those were notorious for warped until the rev3 and 4 versions. Also many throttling issues even with quad core.

I also vote for an 860K plus gpu as apus are so bandwidth bottlenecked.

Are you opposed to buying a used gpu? Also how is you used market in general. You might be able to sneak an unlocked I5 and better gpu in there going used.
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Look at his resolution. You recommend a top line GPU and a budget CPU in a low-res gaming build? Na-hah. The 16Gb was just a note, perhaps he would want to buy 1x8 instead of 2x4.

The minute you referred to the r9 380 as a "Top Line GPU" I knew talking to you would be pointless and that you don't know your stuff... at all.

The r9 380 is an updated r9 285... which sits between the r9 280 and r9 280x... which are rebrands of the HD7950 and HD7970... which came out in Jan 2012. So, how does the r9 380 that sits in a stack between two GPUs from the beginning of 2012 ever get called, "Top Line?" There are probably 12 other mainstream GPUs sitting above the r9 380. The r9 380 is a mid-range card that is very well balanced with the 860k.

Na-hah!
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The minute you referred to the r9 380 as a "Top Line GPU" I knew talking to you would be pointless and that you don't know your stuff... at all.

The r9 380 is an updated r9 285... which sits between the r9 280 and r9 280x... which are rebrands of the HD7950 and HD7970... which came out in Jan 2012. So, how does the r9 380 that sits in a stack between two GPUs from the beginning of 2012 ever get called, "Top Line?" There are probably 12 other mainstream GPUs sitting above the r9 380. The r9 380 is a mid-range card that is very well balanced with the 860k.

Na-hah!

I was actually referring to the 290X, not the 380.
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A few suggestions if I may chip in,
  1. If you select FX-8320 or similar piledriver series cpu(6800K & 760K), double rank dimm selection doesn't play a part in memory bandwidth performance, so 2x4GB isn't a loss - albeit not futureproof.
  2. 860K and A10-7800 series apu's, however, can benefit from double rank memory, so 2x8GB should be the minimum preference,
  3. It is much easier cooling a quad-core cpu. Even those fancy coolers with heatpipes are inferior cooling-wise because the heatpipes radiate much of the heat in the direction of their path, so the heat coming out of heatpipes counterintuitively act as an uncompetitive inhibitor on the other components that are inside the case. Quad-core apu heatsinks doesn't have such a problem since the core's heat isn't reflected via the heatsink(the sink is much cooler, despite being less efficient, convection/radiation ratio is higher).
  4. FX-8320 will serve you well, however you will need a more robust motherboard/cooling than a quad core and you will be also more IPC prone as quad-cores come at a higher sustained frequency. In this case 860K might be a better alternative, if you would select a mainstream motherboard and also wouldn't forget not to use it with 2x4GB dimms.
  5. 290X gets crossed off for the same reasons as octa-core cpus unless you can manage the heat output.

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Short Answer: That build will work just fine and the 290x is a good choice, especially if you plan to keep it for a long time.

Long Answer: The 860k is a smidge under powered given the GPU chosen and you are playing at a pretty low resolution. 4 GB of RAM is also low and the rest of the build is pretty budget. You are clearly making sacrifices all the way around in order to fit that 290x in your budget. None of these can be fixed without spending more money or reconfiguring the build without the 290x. Perhaps an r9 285 or 380 instead.
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In a budget build, an i5 doesn't make much sense. An i5 is $100 more expensive than the 860k. If you took a $100 from the GPU budget to put towards the i5, that doesn't leave you much for a GPU.

An 860k + r9 380 will always outperform an i5 + a GTX 750 in gaming.

In this budget range, you should shoot for all the GPU you can afford as long as the CPU is still capable, which the 860K is. Also, spending the extra on 16GB of ram for a budget gaming rig doesn't make much sense since very rarely would 8 GB even be used.
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I was actually referring to the 290X, not the 380.

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Look at his resolution. You recommend a top line GPU and a budget CPU in a low-res gaming build? Na-hah. The 16Gb was just a note, perhaps he would want to buy 1x8 instead of 2x4.

When you responded, you quoted my recommendation of the r9 380, not the r9 290x. If you thought that my recommendation was for the r9 290x, you can see that on page 1, post #3, I addressed the r9 290x as being unbalanced for the 860k. I also addressed his resolution in post #3, which you also attempted to make an argument on.
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