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Where is the R5 better? If you clean out the back it shouldn't make that much difference?
I guess open PCIe covers and open back is plenty of airflow room so the GPU heat can get pushed out.

Acoustically speaking reviews have shown it to be a little louder, but most samples have been with the big side window and not the solid panel. The ability to have 3 x 140mm fans in front of the S makes it a veritable wind tunnel so cooling performance will be much better. Not to mention how many different radiators fit natively.
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post #32 of 109
to go back to the original question:

Recommendations for decent SP fans:
Noiseblocker eLoop - exists in 120mm AND 140mm
EK Vardar - exists in 120mm AND 140mm
SanAce - - exists in 120mm AND 140mm
post #33 of 109
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Originally Posted by RnRollie View Post

to go back to the original question:

Recommendations for decent SP fans:
Noiseblocker eLoop - exists in 120mm AND 140mm
EK Vardar - exists in 120mm AND 140mm
SanAce - - exists in 120mm AND 140mm

Do you just don't like the A14 PPC PWM's or why not recommend biggrin.gif?
post #34 of 109
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Originally Posted by tehelelol View Post

Where is the R5 better? If you clean out the back it shouldn't make that much difference?
I guess open PCIe covers and open back is plenty of airflow room so the GPU heat can get pushed out.

Better intake from bottom (and a much better filter that can be removed from front), and the entire back on the S is sealed up whereas the R5 has alot more exhaust out back. (reviews show the Define s GPU area a good 5 C hotter than open cases rear lower area)





The S has a better front intake intake obviously, which I like and would love a case that has all of these good features.

I am aircooling so for me I dont care about room for rads, and I want top closed up to reduce noise so better rear exhaust helps even more.

Looking at define S back, I can hear Eddie Murphy saying, "oh man not the old banana in the tailpipe trick" ;P
Edited by BigHotAndLoud - 10/27/15 at 8:39am
post #35 of 109
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Better intake from bottom (and a much better filter that can be removed from front), and the entire back on the S is sealed up whereas the R5 has alot more exhaust out back. (reviews show the Define s GPU area a good 5 C hotter than open cases rear lower area)





The S has a better front intake intake obviously, which I like and would love a case that has all of these good features.

I am aircooling so for me I dont care about room for rads, and I want top closed up to reduce noise so better rear exhaust helps even more.

Looking at define S back, I can hear Eddie Murphy saying, "oh man not the old banana in the tailpipe trick" ;P

If you remove bottom grills and higher the case a bit there is no difference at all?
And the back maybe need some minor tweaks, remove grill and PCIe covers and maybe if really nessecary cut out the closed back where the r5 got a grill thumb.gif

I will do this tonight so if you like I can upload some pictures tomorrow of my work wink.gif
post #36 of 109
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Do you just don't like the A14 PPC PWM's or why not recommend biggrin.gif?

The price is high, and the noise/performance ratio is not the best.
Edited by compy532 - 10/27/15 at 6:38pm
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post #37 of 109
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Well ya, and thats the Define S, bad rear airflow (on bottom half of case), and hence the discussion. In this case the CPU has a nice airflow, its the bottom half they sealed up.

The Define S is a good 5C hotter than better airflow cases at the gpu in a climate controlled room. Why wait for the GPU to thermally throttle, which will limit the temp rise, and allow the cpu exhaust to pick the slack (and maybe not show much increase in temp there)\

Hot pockets are not a good thing

I was thinking of getting the define S but after reading this I'll probably skip it. I'm strictly going for air cooling and I always did wonder about the back being sealed up and how it could effect the temperatures.

My other choice is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. What would you rate this case for air cooling?
post #38 of 109
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I was thinking of getting the define S but after reading this I'll probably skip it. I'm strictly going for air cooling and I always did wonder about the back being sealed up and how it could effect the temperatures.

My other choice is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro M. What would you rate this case for air cooling?

If the PCI slots are relatively open and you use the solid side panel version a side fan will exhaust any "hot pocket".
Edited by compy532 - 10/28/15 at 12:27am
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post #39 of 109
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If the PCI slots are relatively open and you use the solid side panel version a side fan will exhaust any "hot pocket".

I don't think a side fan will be needed, if enough pressure comes from the front intake and the pci slots are open and maybe even cut out the grill it should be fine.
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The price is high, and the noise/performance ratio is not the best.

The noise/performance ratio is almost the same as for example the non PPC version but of course if they start spinning at 2000 RPM+ it will be loud but you could just max. them to 80% with PWM on 100% CPU usage.
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I don't think a side fan will be needed, if enough pressure comes from the front intake and the pci slots are open and maybe even cut out the grill it should be fine.
The noise/performance ratio is almost the same as for example the non PPC version but of course if they start spinning at 2000 RPM+ it will be loud but you could just max. them to 80% with PWM on 100% CPU usage.

The side fan is a worst case scenario, but one running at 50% isn't a bad idea to help flow. It would alter the straight-through flow of the front fans but being right above the top gpu slot would give it great access to exhaust an aftermarket cooler.

The 140mm Extended Range Vardar is 23 comparatively, so 5 fans later you saved 35 right there. Tests conducted by thermalbench.com show the Vardar pushing ~365 ft/min @ 40db (through a radiator) and the PPC 2k performs about the same. In the end you pay more for industrial certifications you don't need for the same performance.
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