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You posted in the AMD forum but also one of the builds was intel based.... So if this isn't cool then just say and then ignore it!

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/LDpBK8 £30 over but so worth it, I went mATX because you can, you could actually go ATX for a little bit less but as you only had one add in card I thought why not.

EDIT: Swapped the 970 for a 390, bit better now at £610

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/BwGP4D
Edited by KaffieneKing - 10/25/15 at 1:33pm
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You posted in the AMD forum but also one of the builds was intel based.... So if this isn't cool then just say and then ignore it!

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/LDpBK8 £30 over but so worth it, I went mATX because you can, you could actually go ATX for a little bit less but as you only had one add in card I thought why not.

EDIT: Swapped the 970 for a 390, bit better now at £610

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/BwGP4D

tnx for the help biggrin.gif rep+ good build but i want something different and 8 core with 8gb card is unique sorta
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If you find time, try to see if you can overclock to say 4.3 with multi only. We need to find out what's happening with this motherboard, because it's the usual proposal for cheap overclocking rigs. IRush was the first to complain with 2 UD3P rev2. Bonami is the 2nd. I don't like this.
If you put in the overclock from BIOS the board will boot at 5 GHz with no BCLK change, multi only. But, if you shut it down and try to restart you need to reset the CMOS. If you restart the machine you need to reset the CMOS. mad.gif

Before the board used to give a little boot failure screen. The only time I needed to reset the CMOS was when my memory settings were too aggressive. But now... the board seems to need a CMOS reset often. Maybe it's related to leaving turbo on (but now APM)? I tried this to see if it would work around the multi issue.

I think in rev 1 the VRM heatsink is using screws and springs. If yours doesn't have springs, but push pins, you will have some trouble... When i removed the pad from the heatsink of Asrock 970 i applied paste, because i didn't have a pad. But the heatsink became more loose, because the pad's thickness was now missing. The ceramique being viscous, "glued" it, but if you push an edge with your finger, you can detached somewhat the heatsink. So be sure you look at the back before removing the pad. Because you wouldn't want to have loose VRM heatsink for high clocks. If it has springs, then it's likely you can tighten the screws more and be ok. But push pins can be a problem.[/quote]
It uses screws and springs, it seems. The northbridge uses push pins.

The board seems to be stable with 225 BCLK so it's still probably a good choice for a cheap motherboard — if you're not trying to get past 4.5 GHz. The VRM cooling is poor in my opinion, though. Even 4.5 is a problem when running Prime.

The bizarre thing about the board is that it seems to run well enough at high clockspeeds the first time you boot into Windows from BIOS. So it seems like Gigabyte is hamstringing the multi overclocking purposefully. Regardless, though, the VRM cooling is so mediocre that you're not going to benefit from avoiding BCLK overclocking in favor of pure multi anyway, probably.
Edited by superstition222 - 10/25/15 at 4:58pm
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If you put in the overclock from BIOS the board will boot at 5 GHz with no BCLK change, multi only. But, if you shut it down and try to restart you need to reset the CMOS. If you restart the machine you need to reset the CMOS. mad.gif

Before the board used to give a little boot failure screen. The only time I needed to reset the CMOS was when my memory settings were too aggressive. But now... the board seems to need a CMOS reset often. Maybe it's related to leaving turbo on (but now APM)? I tried this to see if it would work around the multi issue.

The board seems to be stable with 225 BCLK so it's still probably a good choice for a cheap motherboard — if you're not trying to get past 4.5 GHz. The VRM cooling is poor in my opinion, though. Even 4.5 is a problem when running Prime.

The bizarre thing about the board is that it seems to run well enough at high clockspeeds the first time you boot into Windows from BIOS. So it seems like Gigabyte is hamstringing the multi overclocking purposefully. Regardless, though, the VRM cooling is so mediocre that you're not going to benefit from avoiding BCLK overclocking in favor of pure multi anyway, probably.

Thanks, finally a clear picture of the situation. But you can overclock to at least 4Ghz with multi only without having these problems, right? Personally, i will have to stop proposing this motherboard to aspiring budget overclockers, because overclocking with BCLOCK is more tedious and difficult, so not for everyone. Sad, but... I will have to go to ASUS M5A7 EVO R2.0 from now on.

If they did it on purpose, maybe they gimped the board, in order to avoid cutting the sales of the 990FX models. Because let's face it. Stilt says it has the same VRM of the 990FX UD3. So unless you are desperate about Crossfire, you 're better off with the UD3P for less $. So Gigabyte might have seen this as lost profit. But i think they were actually selling better having an UD3P capable of easy overclock. Because in higher price range, competition with Asrock and ASUS becomes harsher, while the UD3P was the easy pick for a 970 board.

Anyway, at last i understood what's happening with that motherboard. Shame.
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overclocking with BCLOCK is more tedious and difficult, so not for everyone.
It's not too bad if you follow these steps:

1) Turn off all special features except high performance mode
2) Find your RAM stability first (Memtest 8 instances then Prime Blend with lots of RAM at stock CPU speed, 700-900 size)
3) Set BCLK to 225
4) Set multi no higher than 22
5) Use Medium LLC
6) Set NB Core to 1.25

Other than that, it's mainly a matter of the VRMs being the enemy. Also, watch high NB temps which may mean you need to pull out the push pins, replace the paste, and remount it. Overclocking is not bad considering how cheap the board is. The VRM cooling is the frustrating part, not the BCLK. In fact, I tested at 200 BCLK and 225 and got better Cinebench OpenGL framerates with the 225. Maybe that's anomalous?

Turbo-enabled overclocking is probably a PITA on this board, though. I haven't tested that yet.
Edited by superstition222 - 10/26/15 at 9:45pm
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Thanks, finally a clear picture of the situation. But you can overclock to at least 4Ghz with multi only without having these problems, right? Personally, i will have to stop proposing this motherboard to aspiring budget overclockers, because overclocking with BCLOCK is more tedious and difficult, so not for everyone. Sad, but... I will have to go to ASUS M5A7 EVO R2.0 from now on.

If they did it on purpose, maybe they gimped the board, in order to avoid cutting the sales of the 990FX models. Because let's face it. Stilt says it has the same VRM of the 990FX UD3. So unless you are desperate about Crossfire, you 're better off with the UD3P for less $. So Gigabyte might have seen this as lost profit. But i think they were actually selling better having an UD3P capable of easy overclock. Because in higher price range, competition with Asrock and ASUS becomes harsher, while the UD3P was the easy pick for a 970 board.

Anyway, at last i understood what's happening with that motherboard. Shame.
Just based on everything I'm reading, they must have gimped it. I had the old 970A-UD3 (the predecessor to the UD3P), and that board ran an early-run 8350 at 5.1 GHz and 1.62v without failing. The CPU got so hot I had to back off, but the board laughed at it like it was nothing. I ran that rig for well over at year at 4.85 GHz and 1.488v using nothing but the stock heatsinks. And then sold the UD3 in perfect working order.

I see people on here reporting overheating VRM's on 8320e at 4.6 GHz, and there's no way that happens unless the user either doesn't know what they're doing, the board is defective, or Giga's gimped it because they couldn't sell 990FX boards anymore.
     
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CPU: AMD FX-8320E 3.2GHz 8-Core Processor (£99.68 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler (£59.98 @ Dabs)
Motherboard: Asus M5A99X EVO R2.0 ATX AM3+ Motherboard (£97.03 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury White 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (£34.96 @ More Computers)
Video Card: XFX Radeon R9 390 8GB Double Dissipation Video Card (£239.96 @ More Computers)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£34.98 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (£63.31 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £629.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I would go for this, less consuption with the FX8320E, also a better psu and motherboard for the FX since you might be OC'ing.
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Just based on everything I'm reading, they must have gimped it. I had the old 970A-UD3 (the predecessor to the UD3P), and that board ran an early-run 8350 at 5.1 GHz and 1.62v without failing. The CPU got so hot I had to back off, but the board laughed at it like it was nothing. I ran that rig for well over at year at 4.85 GHz and 1.488v using nothing but the stock heatsinks. And then sold the UD3 in perfect working order.

I see people on here reporting overheating VRM's on 8320e at 4.6 GHz, and there's no way that happens unless the user either doesn't know what they're doing, the board is defective, or Giga's gimped it because they couldn't sell 990FX boards anymore.

Yes, i know what you mean. They may have purposedly sabotaged it, because it was "too good for the money". I haven't checked temps, but i passed IBT on 1.488v at 4.5 without throttling and i had started IBT at 4.8 with even more voltage, again with no throttling, but i aborted. Now you read that at 4.5Ghz it becomes imperative to use VRM fan... I don't know. Either my case was much cooler or they did sabotage it.
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Yes, i know what you mean. They may have purposedly sabotaged it, because it was "too good for the money". I haven't checked temps, but i passed IBT on 1.488v at 4.5 without throttling and i had started IBT at 4.8 with even more voltage, again with no throttling, but i aborted. Now you read that at 4.5Ghz it becomes imperative to use VRM fan... I don't know. Either my case was much cooler or they did sabotage it.
I am stable at 4.5 at lower voltages than that. With my lapped 8320E I was at 1.39 - 1.41 on air, depending upon ambient. With my not lapped 8370E, very preliminary testing suggests 1.38 or so with my water loop blasting. I improved the VRM cooling in this build because I had more space for a fan but the noise level is still too high.

The VRM cooling is much more critical than the CPU voltage in my opinion, with this board. The board is heavily VRM limited in comparison with what it can do with CPU voltage.
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I see people on here reporting overheating VRM's on 8320e at 4.6 GHz, and there's no way that happens unless the user either doesn't know what they're doing, the board is defective, or Giga's gimped it because they couldn't sell 990FX boards anymore.
I had to have the stock cooler from the 8320E at 2500 RPM to keep the VRMs at 84 when running Prime and 3000+ to get them down to 78-81. Hair dryer noise past 2500 and even 2500 is not pleasant. This was at 4.5 GHz with rather high case airflow (a 200mm fan right above the VRM and CPU air cooler plus a fan on the VRM, a fan blowing past the northbridge, and a 200mm side fan on low). With any other fan I was able to use that wasn't so noisy the VRMs would get to the 90s.

also this:

http://www.overclock.net/t/1577652/970a-ud3p-fail-with-22-multi-but-never-with-21-at-any-voltage/40#post_24548037
Edited by superstition222 - 10/27/15 at 3:45pm
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