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Orly?
Your "point" is that classically a pre-order was purchasing a product at full value. Classically, this failed which is why this practice, is no longer actually followed, almost anywhere.

Your theory is that if you could classically pre-order a product than that money could be put to good use since you'd have a positive revenue flow before launch. Once again, this failed because people would charge back on their credit cards, keep the product; creators would never follow through...It was a cluster.

Your final theory is that the money, classically earned for a pre-order could be put to whatever you wanted it to be.

In practice, sure - In reality, it failed which is why the system in and of, itself, no longer exists.

In reality, the real world, 2015, we don't put forward cash without goods or some merit of those goods. A pre-order does not qualify as some merit of those goods. It just doesn't.

I've explained why numerous times, don't feel like doing it again. - Also, I explained why this concept failed in my pre-order explanation.

So, yes, I did get your point but, it's a fallacy. It's about as foreseeable as an army of Oompa Loompa's attacking the Queen of England. Therefor, once again, your theory fails as does your hypothesis. Good day, sir.

wow, still missing the point i see, thats just amazing i'm practically mind blown. thinking.gif
Edited by epic1337 - 10/28/15 at 1:11pm
post #192 of 231
I made my first pre order purchase this past September, for FIFA16, 3 hours before official launch

Paid full price, I guess I'm an idiot. Couldn't find anywhere where I could put it on layaway for 1$ lol
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Every hardware company is shady, then, because a lot of them outsource both labor and materials from countries like China and Taiwan.

Foxconn, Flextronics etc, have free trade agreements; labor agreements - Etc.

Video Games are sold to Ukranians for $20c on the $ because that's what the market can afford - There's no free trade...There ARE economic sanctions that are SUPPOSED to stop this from happening but, they've failed in the digital market...
Stop me if i've misunderstood you, but you're, basically, saying that the measure of shadiness of a business practice, to you, is defined by laws and sanctions? That seems like a weird notion outside of actual legalese, where concepts like "shady" don't pertain.

Maybe GMG should get a Free Trade Agreement with a country where games are also cheaper so that you can feel at ease with their business practices.
    
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Maybe GMG should get a Free Trade Agreement with a country where games are also cheaper so that you can feel at ease with their business practices.

Actually if both parties agree to it, it'd be less sleazy. I'm assuming the vendor/distributor/ w.e. does not have pacts with international countreparts. It becomes a viscious circle when most of the keys from the studio are going to a market where prices always stay ~35% discounted regardless of where those keys end up getting, their reports project they need more efforts to keep up with the company's IRR either by selling more (cannot do that if market is already satisfied) or charge more (which can happen, but hampers others genuinely buying from regional boundries) or the developer either halts development of a good title. Besides, I'd have to believe GMG either earns better profit % on per unit of keys than steam or making enough to even force anyone else to get into what they are doing which not legally wrong but just shady tongue.gif
Don't jump on me, it was a premature analysis of what situation masked tried to discribe and have left out a few major things out surely, but redface.gif
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I played the first Witcher and had a blast with it. I never finished the game but I put in quite a number of hours into it. I didn't like the Witcher 2 either. Something about the game just turned me off. I thought I'd roll the dice on the Witcher 3 but it turned out to be a big miss for me. I can't objectively say why I didn't like it. It just did nothing for me.

An opinion supported by data is definitely worth more than one without. I believe your original statement was something about FO3 being overhyped while the Witcher 3 was not. I apologize if I'm twisting your words. I'm too lazy to scroll back up and read what was originally said. The issue I have is that "hype" is not a quantifiable unit of measurement. There's no way anyone can prove with objective data that one massively popular game was more hyped than another massively popular game.

Realistically, if you just browse through PCMasterRace subreddit you can easily measure or calculate the hype level for Fallout 4 and if you have browsed there before Witcher 3 was released you will see that the data is quite undeniable in comparison between which game was or is hyped up more. thumb.gif
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You cant fix stupid. This generation of gamers are really "special". rolleyes.gif

What makes you "better" than them? rolleyes.gif
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Realistically, if you just browse through PCMasterRace subreddit you can easily measure or calculate the hype level for Fallout 4 and if you have browsed there before Witcher 3 was released you will see that the data is quite undeniable in comparison between which game was or is hyped up more. thumb.gif
The following isn't really relevant towards the big company vs. small company hype Bethesda vs. CDPR games, just my observations on the Fallout 4 hype specifically.
As someone who is first and foremost a TES fan, and only recently given the Fallout series another go (primarily because of Fallout 4, be gentle), at least from my perspective I can say that a lot of the hype is coming from Skyrim, not entirely previous Fallout games. With that said, yes a lot of the hype is created from NV and 3 being great games (I'm aiming this particular part at everyone, not specifically you as I know your opinion of NV). At least from a lot of posts I've seen, newcomers into the TES games are being told, though not literally: that Fallout 4 is Skyrim with guns. In a sense that same open world idea is carried over in spirit from Skyrim, and many are expecting it to be as great as Skyrim, hence a large portion of the hype.

My first Bethesda game was Morrowind, and have played all TES games since. As for the Fallout series I got into Fallout 3 only a year ago, Fallout NV less than a week ago haha. I'm confused as to how you didn't enjoy Fallout NV, but you said something to the extent of only having played it for 4 hours. Both start on the same premise (chase your dad around or the guy who shot you), they both actually get interesting once you've actually finished chasing, which the chasing is only barely relevant to the main quest and is much more relevant to introducing the world itself. Fallout NV has an incredible faction dynamic going on: Legion, NCR and Mr. House, the choices you get to make between the three etc. .One thing I don't enjoy about NV is that it's not quite as much of a dynamic and interesting world to explore in comparison to Fallout 3, Skyrim, and Morrowind (completely personal tastes sorry). As someone who has grown up in the desert, mostly Arizona and Utah, I find the environment to be a bit lacking, though I suppose to defend it there's only so much you can expect from an older game. So I'm someone who has only recently delved the depths that is Fallout, and I suppose from that perspective I'm also seeing a lot of TES fans jump to the Fallout ship for the first time.

As for TW3, I'm legitimately interested in the game, and I know at some point I'll buy it and hope to invest a significant amount of time into it, but I ran into the same issue as you with TW2, I just couldn't get into the game no matter how much I tried, something about the combat didn't draw me in, and maybe TW3 will rectify the issues I had with it (I know from gameplay videos it hasn't overhauled its system, and rightly so, it's not in any way terrible, it just not a selling point for me personally). I plan on buying it when I have the time it deserves, and rather than coming in when I'm super busy with school, work, life etc., I'll wait until summer and something and tackle it, and hopefully playing it will give me a good enough of a lore background to go back and play TW2 and enjoy it as well.

Sorry most of this was just a wall of text on my own experience with the games, which currently is fairly limited towards others who have put hundreds of hours into Fallout and TW games. (My thousands of hours in TES games beats everyone else's though... sadly)

@Masked, thanks for the tip about GMG, I never realized that was how they got their pre-order prices for new games that low, I'll make sure I don't buy from them again for that reason.
Edited by ArchieGriffs - 10/29/15 at 7:01pm
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OK. Pre-order discount.
Then, here comes the paid DLCs.
The actual base game cost doesn't matter that much anymore.
Once you bought extra content of what should have been included in the game, you end up at 60$ if not beyond.
60$ is freaking a lot of money for a student just to game. If games were less expensive, 20-30$, pretty sure my monthly visit in a bay would be less charged in bandwidth transfer.
Witcher 3 so far, is worth 60$. 10/10 would buy again.
99% games out there are worth ~20$ if not less considering their state at release. Total wars rome 2... Should have tried it before buying.
Back in the day there was demo to try the game before buying.
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I only pre-order on games I know for a fact I will enjoy. The games I have on pre-order atm are Halo 5 and Fallout 4. I am not going to wait and have the Halo 5 story spoiled for me( had a lot of Halo 4 spoiled on multiple different sites ), plus I am a big Halo fan( played all the games and have read all the novels ). Fallout 4 I will be going to a midnight release to pick up my copy and then play it for 2 days straight at my friends house just like I did with Skyrim. I will not pre-order games though that I am iffy about.

Why pay money for something before u have to? It's not like theyre going to run out. It's not like u get a discount, which would be the only reason I cough up money and the wait for something.
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I don't care if it's 100GB as long as it improves my experience.

That's what patches are for.

Because what they are patching now should have been resolved before selling the game. Outside of software if someone sells a product or service and then need to keep fixing it for the next year or two this would not be acceptable.
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The following isn't really relevant towards the big company vs. small company hype Bethesda vs. CDPR games, just my observations on the Fallout 4 hype specifically.
As someone who is first and foremost a TES fan, and only recently given the Fallout series another go (primarily because of Fallout 4, be gentle), at least from my perspective I can say that a lot of the hype is coming from Skyrim, not entirely previous Fallout games. With that said, yes a lot of the hype is created from NV and 3 being great games (I'm aiming this particular part at everyone, not specifically you as I know your opinion of NV). At least from a lot of posts I've seen, newcomers into the TES games are being told, though not literally: that Fallout 4 is Skyrim with guns. In a sense that same open world idea is carried over in spirit from Skyrim, and many are expecting it to be as great as Skyrim, hence a large portion of the hype.

My first Bethesda game was Morrowind, and have played all TES games since. As for the Fallout series I got into Fallout 3 only a year ago, Fallout NV less than a week ago haha. I'm confused as to how you didn't enjoy Fallout NV, but you said something to the extent of only having played it for 4 hours. Both start on the same premise (chase your dad around or the guy who shot you), they both actually get interesting once you've actually finished chasing, which the chasing is only barely relevant to the main quest and is much more relevant to introducing the world itself. Fallout NV has an incredible faction dynamic going on: Legion, NCR and Mr. House, the choices you get to make between the three etc. .One thing I don't enjoy about NV is that it's not quite as much of a dynamic and interesting world to explore in comparison to Fallout 3, Skyrim, and Morrowind (completely personal tastes sorry). As someone who has grown up in the desert, mostly Arizona and Utah, I find the environment to be a bit lacking, though I suppose to defend it there's only so much you can expect from an older game. So I'm someone who has only recently delved the depths that is Fallout, and I suppose from that perspective I'm also seeing a lot of TES fans jump to the Fallout ship for the first time.

As for TW3, I'm legitimately interested in the game, and I know at some point I'll buy it and hope to invest a significant amount of time into it, but I ran into the same issue as you with TW2, I just couldn't get into the game no matter how much I tried, something about the combat didn't draw me in, and maybe TW3 will rectify the issues I had with it (I know from gameplay videos it hasn't overhauled its system, and rightly so, it's not in any way terrible, it just not a selling point for me personally). I plan on buying it when I have the time it deserves, and rather than coming in when I'm super busy with school, work, life etc., I'll wait until summer and something and tackle it, and hopefully playing it will give me a good enough of a lore background to go back and play TW2 and enjoy it as well.

Sorry most of this was just a wall of text on my own experience with the games, which currently is fairly limited towards others who have put hundreds of hours into Fallout and TW games. (My thousands of hours in TES games beats everyone else's though... sadly)

@Masked, thanks for the tip about GMG, I never realized that was how they got their pre-order prices for new games that low, I'll make sure I don't buy from them again for that reason.

I'd say it is pretty relevant in what I was talking about overall.

I probably played more than 4 hours, as I remember all the factions you are speaking about I just never finished the game because it left me unwilling. Last I remember is many screens with Mr. House in the middle, and that's about where I left off.

As far as the TW3 goes, I definitely think the system has been overhauled in comparison to TW2 which is why I enjoyed it so much. Definitely made my top 5 all favorite games.
Edited by BiG StroOnZ - 10/31/15 at 11:34pm
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