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Well you enjoy the fact that I'll be playing Fallout 4 on 11/10/15 and you won't be biggrin.gif.

I think Fallout is heavily overrated. Fallout 3 was great, but New Vegas was incredibly boring (I didn't even make it 4 hours). Sorry, I really don't think I'm missing out on anything including the plethora of Bethesda bugs about to accompany the game. I'll wait until I can get it for $25-30 bucks from G2Play, and by the time it releases I will be busy playing my $25-30 copy of Metal Gear Solid V: TPP assuming I can beat Mad Max in less than a months time (doubtful, considering the amount of content) since Fallout 4 releases in a couple of weeks thumb.gif
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I think Fallout is heavily overrated.
Same can be said about TW3. It's all subjective. I don't know why people are even debating what games are worth pre-ordering.

The free market is a beautiful thing. People have purchasing power, and they will exert it on whatever items they want in whichever manner they please.
    
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*****ing about preorders?

fact :

most successful kickstarter projects have people 'preordering' games for 4 digits $$$$...
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Same can be said about TW3. It's all subjective. I don't know why people are even debating what games are worth pre-ordering.

The free market is a beautiful thing. People have purchasing power, and they will exert it on whatever items they want in whichever manner they please.

Problem is Witcher 3 lived up to every single ounce of hype. Fallout 4 is in another classification of over hyped games because of Fallout fanboys. The fanbase for Witcher is much smaller than compared to Fallout. So even though Witcher 3 was hyped up, it didn't have nearly as much expectation to fulfill compared to Fallout 4. You can claim it is subjective but it really isn't. Fallout 3 was great because of its story and its attempt at doing something inspiring and fresh. Witcher 3 was great because of its story, and improving on the previous titles to the umpteenth degree. New Vegas was lame because the story was lacking. The wasteland felt empty. Things seemed rushed. On top of all of that it was chock full of your usual Bethesda bugs. New Vegas wasn't actually good at all, fanboys just wanted it to be good. Fallout 4 is going to be very similar with a lot of the points I touched in New Vegas. This game is not ready to be released at all, it should be released in 2016 but it is being rushed out the door to get the game of the year award.

Gamers hold double standards, "don't pre-order this don't pre-order that, oh but Fallout 4 is the exception." No game is worth pre-ordering, it really shouldn't be up for debate at all to be honest. But people like to freely throw around money without rhyme or reason. Problem here is not that they are attributing to the free market or they don't have the right to have purchasing power. That's not really the problem, that they have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money. The problem is here is after the money is spent and the product is tested by the consumer, upon discovering that it is a heaping pile of garbage. After the fact, then they want to complain continually about how we shouldn't trust developers or publishers, how we should all stop pre-ordering, how we should wait for reviews first before we buy. That's the issue here. It's extremely hypocritical.

Of course this can all be gathered by the data posted in the OP, and the fact that the past 2-3 years we have seen many botched title releases with people jumping on the against the pre-ordering bandwagon, which almost seems as though people are just saying they aren't pre-ordering but then doing it anyway and encouraging the industry to pretty much do whatever the heck they want to the consumer.
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I feel like people that preorder think that they will get to play the game sooner doing so.
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maybe somebody else already mentioned this in the thread....but 2015 offers a LOT more than 2014 does...

Witcher / Batman AK / Halo 5 / Gears of War / Fallout 4 / Starwars / Metal Gear Solid

not exactly an apples to apples comparison to look at the 2014 numbers
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Problem is Witcher 3 lived up to every single ounce of hype. Fallout 4 is in another classification of over hyped games because of Fallout fanboys. The fanbase for Witcher is much smaller than compared to Fallout. So even though Witcher 3 was hyped up, it didn't have nearly as much expectation to fulfill compared to Fallout 4. You can claim it is subjective but it really isn't.
Yes, it is, because the most fundamental expectaction people have from a game is the answer to the question "Why do we buy games?"
The simplest one is "Because we get enjoyment out of them." As long as a sizable group of people enjoy FO:NV more than they do TW3, it's all subjective. When a game's worth is defined in unequal measures by different groups of people, universal lines can't be drawn.
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The problem is here is after the money is spent and the product is tested by the consumer, upon discovering that it is a heaping pile of garbage. After the fact, then they want to complain continually about how we shouldn't trust developers or publishers, how we should all stop pre-ordering, how we should wait for reviews first before we buy. That's the issue here. It's extremely hypocritical.
Fully agree. I'm honest, i've found myself cursing bugs in games that i've pre-ordered. I should practice what i preach. However, i've always gotten my money's worth back in entertainment from games i pre-order, so all's well.

Obviously, there's something to be said about the precedent i'm helping create. "Be the change you want for the World" and all that. I think we're past the point of no return, though.
    
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maybe somebody else already mentioned this in the thread....but 2015 offers a LOT more than 2014 does...

Witcher / Batman AK / Halo 5 / Gears of War / Fallout 4 / Starwars / Metal Gear Solid

not exactly an apples to apples comparison to look at the 2014 numbers

Half of that list are potential game of the year. I don't remember seeing so many big games coming out in one year. You could say 2015 was an anomaly. I don't see this kind of abundance happening again anytime soon honestly.
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I feel like people that preorder think that they will get to play the game sooner doing so.
Well digitally you do.
you can start downloading the game the second it is considered out without having to go to a store or something.
With preloads you can even skip that step and just wait till it unlocks.
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Problem is Witcher 3 lived up to every single ounce of hype. Fallout 4 is in another classification of over hyped games because of Fallout fanboys. The fanbase for Witcher is much smaller than compared to Fallout. So even though Witcher 3 was hyped up, it didn't have nearly as much expectation to fulfill compared to Fallout 4. You can claim it is subjective but it really isn't. Fallout 3 was great because of its story and its attempt at doing something inspiring and fresh. Witcher 3 was great because of its story, and improving on the previous titles to the umpteenth degree. New Vegas was lame because the story was lacking. The wasteland felt empty. Things seemed rushed. On top of all of that it was chock full of your usual Bethesda bugs. New Vegas wasn't actually good at all, fanboys just wanted it to be good. Fallout 4 is going to be very similar with a lot of the points I touched in New Vegas. This game is not ready to be released at all, it should be released in 2016 but it is being rushed out the door to get the game of the year award.

CDPR is also a very small, off the beaten path Studio that has worked on the Witcher 3 for over 3 years. Development actually started in early 2012.

CDPR has the ability to do what other studio's can't due to the curve.

Studios, in regards to aggregate costs, basically form a bell curve...Smaller studio means longer development but, significantly more earnings...Larger studio has to truly be large in order to shorten development to combat the size of the studio and thus, earns significantly more.

So CDPR, regardless of hype, can actually afford to give DLC's out for free (2 of which were FINISHED in time for launch btw) where-as a studio on the top of the bell curve, like 2k, cannot...

I agree with your premise, however.
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Gamers hold double standards, "don't pre-order this don't pre-order that, oh but Fallout 4 is the exception." No game is worth pre-ordering, it really shouldn't be up for debate at all to be honest. But people like to freely throw around money without rhyme or reason. Problem here is not that they are attributing to the free market or they don't have the right to have purchasing power. That's not really the problem, that they have the freedom to do whatever they want with their money. The problem is here is after the money is spent and the product is tested by the consumer, upon discovering that it is a heaping pile of garbage. After the fact, then they want to complain continually about how we shouldn't trust developers or publishers, how we should all stop pre-ordering, how we should wait for reviews first before we buy. That's the issue here. It's extremely hypocritical.

Absolutely.

I have major issues with the "vote with your wallet", movement. It went from being something most of us could get behind, into a mob that literally trashes smaller developer studios because gamers didn't get EXACTLY what they wanted.

Hypocritical is an understatement.
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Of course this can all be gathered by the data posted in the OP, and the fact that the past 2-3 years we have seen many botched title releases with people jumping on the against the pre-ordering bandwagon, which almost seems as though people are just saying they aren't pre-ordering but then doing it anyway and encouraging the industry to pretty much do whatever the heck they want to the consumer.

I don't agree with the word botched.

There have genuinely only been 2 BROKEN products on launch in the past 5 years...Batman and Aliens.

Aside from those 2 products, most of the market complains about bugs...Well, bugs happen but, they're not game breaking.

Game breaking is when the product literally is unplayable. - That is by definition, game-breaking.

Instead, gamers qualify game-breaking as any bug/issue that causes them distress within the 4 corners of the product.

I fell through the world for 2 weeks straight in Skyrim - Do I get to qualify that as game-breaking?

We also live in an era where serious bugs, get tackled instantly...So the level of testing that took place with Diablo 2, isn't necessary with Skyrim...

It really is a double edged sword...
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