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That's right, so in order for us to be certain you aren't as big a dirt bag as this guy you are going to make all your details public.

Thank you very much.

I'm as far removed from this situation as anybody else, but yeah...the DOJ does have a role to play, and picking on your average bystander isn't one of them.

Just like anything else in the news, the defendant usually provokes this.
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I'm as far removed from this situation as anybody else, but yeah...the DOJ does have a role to play, and picking on your average bystander isn't one of them.

Just like anything else in the news, the defendant usually provokes this.

Yeah but if a precedent is set, it'll be abused. Just look at all the laws and changes that have been made in the name of National Security.
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Yeah but if a precedent is set, it'll be abused. Just look at all the laws and changes that have been made in the name of National Security.

Oh I'm extremely indifferent to this, just sort of keeping tabs on what happens.

That being said, I do think an interesting situation could arise from this.

As it stands currently....

Scenario A: Consumer tries to circuvent security measures on purchased device, Apple (or any other company) says it's their software, you can't mess with it, and lays down the banhammer.

Scenarios B: DOJ tries to circumvent security measures on purchased device, Apple (or any other company) says "oh it's not our software......ummmm......privacy and ethics?"

Maybe this will turn out better for the consumers somehow? Who knows. But to me it's also a jab against Scenario A...so I'm perfectly fine with that since that's something that's more likely to affect me.
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The DOJ already selectively enforces whatever laws it deems convenient/politically beneficial. They also have shown that they, themselves are immune from breaking the very laws that they are supposed to uphold/enforce.

Yet, they want a golden key to the privacy of everyone who is on an apple device? And people don't think that will be abused/misused? Their track record already screams otherwise.
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I'm as far removed from this situation as anybody else, but yeah...the DOJ does have a role to play, and picking on your average bystander isn't one of them.

Just like anything else in the news, the defendant usually provokes this.

I'm sure all those innocent people in prison and the millions who died in Gulags will agree with you rolleyes.gif

Either you are so far removed from reality you have no idea what you're saying, have perfectly mastered double think or have a reason to claim the things you do.
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The DOJ already selectively enforces whatever laws it deems convenient/politically beneficial. They also have shown that they, themselves are immune from breaking the very laws that they are supposed to uphold/enforce.

Yet, they want a golden key to the privacy of everyone who is on an apple device? And people don't think that will be abused/misused? Their track record already screams otherwise.

Welcome to a police state/tyranny.
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I'm as far removed from this situation as anybody else, but yeah...the DOJ does have a role to play, and picking on your average bystander isn't one of them.

Just like anything else in the news, the defendant usually provokes this.

Actually you'd be surprised, it's not necessarily the DOJ that leads the charge on this sort of thing so much as it is the US Attorney's Office that's leading the prosecution efforts of the defendant. They're the ones who decide to prosecute a person or entity ultimately, not the DOJ. The DOJ handles the investigation, presents the evidence to the US Attorney then arrests the defendant unless there was probable cause to do so before, like violent assault that an officer witnessed etc. The US Attorneys Office works very closely with the DOJ which makes our justice system horrifically flawed in this regard.

I guarantee you that there is a prosecutor wanting to swing his balls around and boast that he was "instrumental in getting law enforcement access to everyone's phone". Besides in the US, no matter how distorted this right maybe, someone is presumed innocent until they are proven guilty in a court of law. "The defendant provoked this" isn't an excuse for government abuse of power. If the US Attorney prosecuting the case or even the DOJ can't put together enough compelling evidence to successfully prosecute someone then they need to dismiss the case, not try to change the law.
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