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So final update here, its all fixed and it was weird what fixed it
My CCC settings I changed to
Texture Filtering: High Quality
Surface Optimization: off
Vsync: off unless specified
Triple Buffering: off
Tessalation: use application settings
Frame Pacing: off

and boom graphic score in 3dmark of over 20000
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9194600?

good job. if you are still using the 750W . . . you are a brave soul. i've seen a 6300 graphics score reached 8K but it was oc'ed a lot. you got to oc and unleash the potential of your fx. missing a couple thousands in graphics. but, it is working.

my bad. don't oc if psu is still the same. the X4 lane is prolly reducing it by 1K. no big deal.

edit: just noticed . . . you barely beat mu overall score with a single 290 . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7690148

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Edited by rdr09 - 11/8/15 at 12:13am
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Just an update, after doing some tests borrowing my buddies 1200 watt psu I was having the same issues and figured out it was API overhead, draw calls dropped down from about 800,000 with a single card to 500,000, mantel still can achieve 8,000,000 draw calls though which would make sense after testing BF4 I was able to get awesome FPS with more GPU utilization, so it looks like mantel and DX 12 will be my saviors for this setup, DX 12 doesn't support multigpu overhead tests yet but based off of what I got in single card results I should get a little over mantle performance.

I'm pleased you figured out your little PSU theory about 'alternating power between cards' and all that stuff ... was NOT your issue.

Here's how it works.

Barring odd defects, any PSU you ever use in your machine will either:

1) put out enough power to run your system, and you'll get 100% of the FPS of what your system is capable of ...
OR
2) your PSU will NOT put out enough power to run your system ... in which case, your PSU's Over-Current Protection circuit will trip, and your system will simply SHUT OFF. Boom.

There's 'no such thing' as your PSU not producing enough power and hence hampering the performance of your system, giving you lower than normal FPS, alternating sending power to your two cards,tongue.gif or any of the other ideas you've thrown up on this thread.

As long as your PC is RUNNING ... your components are getting as much power as they need to do their jobs, and they will run at 100% 'speed'. They will "DEMAND" the power that they need to run the way they're meant to ... period.

BUT ... if your PSU is NOT capable of producing the power your components are 'drawing' ... then your machine will shut off, like a light switch was hit.
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I'm pleased you figured out your little PSU theory about 'alternating power between cards' and all that stuff ... was NOT your issue.

Here's how it works.

Barring odd defects, any PSU you ever use in your machine will either:

1) put out enough power to run your system, and you'll get 100% of the FPS of what your system is capable of ...
OR
2) your PSU will NOT put out enough power to run your system ... in which case, your PSU's Over-Current Protection circuit will trip, and your system will simply SHUT OFF. Boom.

There's 'no such thing' as your PSU not producing enough power and hence hampering the performance of your system, giving you lower than normal FPS, alternating sending power to your two cards,tongue.gif or any of the other ideas you've thrown up on this thread.

As long as your PC is RUNNING ... your components are getting as much power as they need to do their jobs, and they will run at 100% 'speed'. They will "DEMAND" the power that they need to run the way they're meant to ... period.

BUT ... if your PSU is NOT capable of producing the power your components are 'drawing' ... then your machine will shut off, like a light switch was hit.

True dat. It runs and "we" here in ocn have always thought of Hawaiis as so power hungry that a 750W psu won't do, especially when paired with an equally power hog cpu.

Although the system runs fine (i hope it still does), the combined score in FS shows what really is going on. FX is known not to do well in Futuremark. Combined that with a stock CPU - it gets worse. An OC will help but we can't recommend that atm.
Even my i7 Sandy at stock won't do any better even with one 290. At 4.5GHz, it can push two 290s just fine.

edit: May I add . . . Thank God for OCN!
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my friend damaged his 850W XFX PSU by running three 7970s for an extended period of time, I believe with two 290Xs on CX 750W it's probably gonna happen too. BTW his cards died a few after from burned caps. I believe 7970s pull around 200W on average, so 3x200W seems to leave plenty of room on 850W PSU. But the truth is the average power draw is usually a fair bit lower than max power draw spikes. And CX750 does not have OCP.
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my friend damaged his 850W XFX PSU by running three 7970s for an extended period of time, I believe with two 290Xs on CX 750W it's probably gonna happen too. BTW his cards died a few after from burned caps. I believe 7970s pull around 200W on average, so 3x200W seems to leave plenty of room on 850W PSU. But the truth is the average power draw is usually a fair bit lower than max power draw spikes. And CX750 does not have OCP.
7970's can peak easily at 300 or more depending if overclocked... Your friend asked for it...:..who in his sane mind would run Tri-CFX tongue.gif
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I have 12gb of 1866mhz ram and since I changed my settings in CCC everything works fine, I would suggest changing your settings to what I have mine at now, maybe that will fix it.

I think Im going to copy your settings. I just realized that my texture filtering was always at "Standard". Not sure how this will affect performance but Im going to try it. I really didnt suspect RAM until I read this thread. But I also didnt want to rule anything out. I have one question regarding CCC, no one to date will answer me. If I ask it now this will be the 34th time Ive asked. Srsly, I'll be having a convo with someone and when I ask this they either stop responding or change the subject. So Im going to try again (I fully expect everyone here to ignore the question as well) But here goes...

Under "Performance>AMD Overdrive" (last option) what are your settings? Here are mine currently. Im just not sure if the CCC/AMD Graphics Overdrive interferes with AB and if it should be disabled or enabled. To date no one will answer me. Its amazing.




So, if Graphics Overdrive is "enabled" and you disable AMD Overdrive, it locks the Graphics Overdrive in whatever setting it was in when you flipped the AMD Overdrive switch/button. But you can disable the Graphics Overdrive first and then disable AMD Overdrive. I just want to see a screen shot of what others' settings are. rdr09 probably remembers me asking this in another thread about a year ago (If memory serves me correctly)
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edit: just noticed . . . you barely beat mu overall score with a single 290 . . .

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/7690148

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Do you have the same CCC settings as Renton577 as he listed below? Just curious
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So final update here, its all fixed and it was weird what fixed it
My CCC settings I changed to
Texture Filtering: High Quality
Surface Optimization: off
Vsync: off unless specified
Triple Buffering: off
Tessalation: use application settings
Frame Pacing: off

and boom graphic score in 3dmark of over 20000
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9194600?

I wouldnt be surprised if Id had incorrect settings on this machine.

Also, does it matter if we run "unofficial Overclocking" method? Ive noticed that doing so allows my 2nd card to work in applications that arent yet Xfire ready (some early alpha and beta titles like ARK and Squad). I dont run a huge OC on my 3d applications; the clocks and ram are nowhere near their limit. My thinking is that it probalby wont damage anything. Just wondering if Im getting any real benefit.
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DMatthew, I don't use CCC. I do but only for a few stuff like enabling crossfire and Hydra is present. I have it unchecked in msconfig under startup programs. So, my CCC is set to whatever is default but i do make sure Overdrive is disabled.
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DMatthew, I don't use CCC. I do but only for a few stuff like enabling crossfire and Hydra is present. I have it unchecked in msconfig under startup programs. So, my CCC is set to whatever is default but i do make sure Overdrive is disabled.

Ok, but which Overdrive? There are Three individual settings labeled as Overdrive. There is AMD Overdrive, CPU Overdrive, and Graphics Overdrive. So, do you have all of them disabled? This is what I mean about no one answering the question. I dont use CCC other than, like you, enabling Crossfire (or disabling if need be) and if I need a custom crossfire profile. I just want to copy the settings of one person who knows more than I do. Id really like to not have to keep looking at it. Ive been asking about this for years. Went back and counted, Ive asked 26 people directly between OCN, LinusTechTips, Steam groups, etc...basically any place where these conversations happen that I have an account. Ive posited the question in threads here a handful of times hoping at least one person would see it and show me a screenshot of their settings. I cant believe how hard this is.

Perfect example, a thread you were in

http://www.overclock.net/t/1488645/r9-290-crossfire-unigine-valley-low-scores/60#post_23814730

Your response was that Intel systems only show Graphics Overdrive. Awesome. And I know you dont have an AMD cpu so you cant answer the question. But at least you respond. At least you try to help! No one else does. There were other people in that thread (along with other threads Ive asked this in) that are AMD cpu users. Since that thread Ive even asked AMD "reps" who give me the answer "Overdrive should be disabled" Great! For all? Again, Im frustrated with the people that dont respond, not the ones that do, like you. Any time Ive asked you anything you have a iron-clad response almost immediately

It cant be this hard to get another AMD user to look at their settings for me. But obviously, it is. I guess Im the last AMD cpu user. I bet if I offered someone $$ it would be answered in seconds. BTW, I am in the process of building a new Intel rig, you think the 4790k is good enough for gaming? Thats what Im leaning towards
post #89 of 103
I haven't even enabled overdrive yet in my ccc but when I was using my phenom II with 7950 I went against convention and used it to Overclock the CPU which is a no no here
and still used Trixx or MSI AB to OC the gpu, so yes I had both working at the same time time
In my case I needed to use it because that was the only way to stably OC my CPU to 4.2ghz but I don't need it now cos I OC the cpu in bios and use MSI AB for gpu
Hope that helps
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Ok, but which Overdrive? There are Three individual settings labeled as Overdrive. There is AMD Overdrive, CPU Overdrive, and Graphics Overdrive. So, do you have all of them disabled? This is what I mean about no one answering the question. I dont use CCC other than, like you, enabling Crossfire (or disabling if need be) and if I need a custom crossfire profile. I just want to copy the settings of one person who knows more than I do. Id really like to not have to keep looking at it. Ive been asking about this for years. Went back and counted, Ive asked 26 people directly between OCN, LinusTechTips, Steam groups, etc...basically any place where these conversations happen that I have an account. Ive posited the question in threads here a handful of times hoping at least one person would see it and show me a screenshot of their settings. I cant believe how hard this is.

Perfect example, a thread you were in

http://www.overclock.net/t/1488645/r9-290-crossfire-unigine-valley-low-scores/60#post_23814730

Your response was that Intel systems only show Graphics Overdrive. Awesome. And I know you dont have an AMD cpu so you cant answer the question. But at least you respond. At least you try to help! No one else does. There were other people in that thread (along with other threads Ive asked this in) that are AMD cpu users. Since that thread Ive even asked AMD "reps" who give me the answer "Overdrive should be disabled" Great! For all? Again, Im frustrated with the people that dont respond, not the ones that do, like you. Any time Ive asked you anything you have a iron-clad response almost immediately

It cant be this hard to get another AMD user to look at their settings for me. But obviously, it is. I guess Im the last AMD cpu user. I bet if I offered someone $$ it would be answered in seconds. BTW, I am in the process of building a new Intel rig, you think the 4790k is good enough for gaming? Thats what Im leaning towards

I don't have access to any of my rigs atm, but i was talking about the Enable Overdrive with the small box in front. I make sure the box is unchecked. I think the default setting is disabled (unchecked).

This one . . .



that's the one i uncheck.

I also refer others to try what Truelies did in post #57 . . .

http://www.overclock.net/t/1553034/low-fps-with-r9-290x/50#post_24447176

never tried it, though.
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I haven't even enabled overdrive yet in my ccc but when I was using my phenom II with 7950 I went against convention and used it to Overclock the CPU which is a no no here
and still used Trixx or MSI AB to OC the gpu, so yes I had both working at the same time time
In my case I needed to use it because that was the only way to stably OC my CPU to 4.2ghz but I don't need it now cos I OC the cpu in bios and use MSI AB for gpu
Hope that helps

i read others successfully use CCC to oc their gpu. I tried it in the past but, what i found out, it conflicted with other apps like AB.
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