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Okay, i am tired to make a proper argument, and you all start making fun, when you know that AMD haven't done such crap like nVidia.

Tell that to the people buying the 980Ti over the infamously elusive Fiji Fury X with bespoke / awkward cooling design and inferior performance in current games...the bickering needs to stop - but let's not get into another debate about what is morally wrong or right yet again. Both companies look to better the other - equally as much when the chips are down. Nobody should be in disagreement about how AMD have tackled NVIDA's recent ventures, no matter how derogatory they might be to AMD.

People need to stop bringing it up at every passing moment and just accept what is. Maxwell is an incredibly efficient architecture on an aging process that has been extensively reworked after taking losses on smaller processes. Fiji whilst competitive, is not the former. One is in financial decline, the other is not. These are all facts.


Let's please get back to DirectX12.
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Where to start...
First,PhysX was only made open source at GDC in 2015. And while it is open source to developers,you still need a CUDA enabled device to compute on gpu instead of cpu.That's still proprietary.

As of September,there are more Freesync monitors than Gsync,and they are indeed cheaper.Open source takes longer to develop,not that hard to understand.

Currently,Nvidia does not have DX12 async shaders.

PhysX is still open source. AMD had more than half a year to adapt to it if they wanted to.
Regarding CUDA, CUDA itself is proprietary. But it was shown that by replacing a couple of the driver DLLs allows to replace the CUDA with AMD's compute, and run it under AMD GPUs. That is allowed because it does not require changing the PhysX itself. AMD do not want to support it.

There are not more freesync monitors in the market, yet. There will be maybe by the end of the year. And still most of them are 60hrz at best, and have shown to not fully eliminate ghosting or frame time unlike g-sync hardware.

Currently, nvidia does have async through drivers. And according to latest AoS performance, they might not get the 100% increase like AMD (because nvidia are already doing great in DX11), but they gained about 20-25% giving them a decent increase over AMD.
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@Defoler : roughly what Redwoodz said. I can add few more lines to it, but it wouldn't help explaining that AMD isn't in the wrong, while nVidia is still technically not wrong but is morally wrong on many different levels.

Morally wrong? Is this a moral contest or market selling contest?

Please explain to me why AMD's bashing is moral.
Or why AMD demanding nvidia to give them free code is moral?

If Nvidia have 80% of the market, they are damn well in their right to bring tech to their costumers. They are not required to give free stuff to their competitors, they have the right to develop future tech, and all they have any moral requirement is to make sure their customers are happy, updated, and should be able to run coming games.

If nvidia's card will run with decent performance once DX12 games come out, they will be just fine regardless of any "moral" argument made by someone on the internet.
I don't see any moral problem for me to get gameworks tech and DX12 in coming games. And I don't see AMD users have the moral justification to cry when they don't get the same (you can disable gameworks, it won't hinder AMD performance).
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Tell that to the people buying the 980Ti over the infamously elusive Fiji Fury X with bespoke / awkward cooling design and inferior performance in current games...the bickering needs to stop - but let's not get into another debate about what is morally wrong or right yet again. Both companies look to better the other - equally as much when the chips are down. Nobody should be in disagreement about how AMD have tackled NVIDA's recent ventures, no matter how derogatory they might be to AMD.

People need to stop bringing it up at every passing moment and just accept what is. Maxwell is an incredibly efficient architecture on an aging process that has been extensively reworked after taking losses on smaller processes. Fiji whilst competitive, is not the former. One is in financial decline, the other is not. These are all facts.


Let's please get back to DirectX12.

Why don't you point the finger at the one slinging mud,again and again and again.

Back on topic-
I will give my two front teeth if Nviida doesn't block this multi gpu DX12 tech someway in their hardware. It is in no way in their interest. Unless you can pay for it.
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I will give my two front teeth if Nviida doesn't block this multi gpu DX12 tech someway in their hardware. It is in no way in their interest. Unless you can pay for it.

They will not block it. Checking for working support of the feature required is part of WHQL certification. Why would anyone think Nvidia would block it? I really don't understand this line of reasoning. kookoo.gif

Increased performance for free doesn't hurt higher skus. Having this be possible has no downside for anyone.
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They will not block it. Checking for working support of the feature required is part of WHQL certification. Why would anyone think Nvidia would block it? I really don't understand this line of reasoning. kookoo.gif

Increased performance for free doesn't hurt higher skus. Having this be possible has no downside for anyone.

I guess you haven't gotten the memo, NVIDIA is EVIL,
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they finally found a way to eliminate fanboys i guess wink.gif
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Nvidia will find a way to disable it.

i hope this is not the case...

even though it probably will be.
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they finally found a way to eliminate fanboys i guess wink.gif

So a not even "benchmark" release of a supposed DX12 whatever it is. Shows better performance in its whatever it is performance.

MUCH WoW Super excited.buttkick.gif
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Good news for the consumer and about time
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The idea that you can add GPU resources that are not identical cards for SLI/Crossfire is welcome, but expecting game developers to support this in this console port environment seems unlikely unless its something native to the game engines themselves. As far as I have read there is one game in Alpha experimenting with this. SLI/Crossfire is problematic enough requiring frequent driver updates for new games, mismatching AMD/NVIDIA/Intel for optimal utilization of all available resources is not something I see game developers focusing on.
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