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This list is a bit of a joke. The fact that the ~$250 290X isn't on it gives enough warrant to ignore it.

Cheapest 290x I'm able to find on newegg is $320 shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202089&cm_re=R9_290x-_-14-202-089-_-Product
     
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Cheapest 290x I'm able to find on newegg is $320 shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202089&cm_re=R9_290x-_-14-202-089-_-Product



$279.99 before Mail In Rebate, brand new back at the end of July. The XFX Double D cards go on sell for $250 after rebates/coupons on an extremely regular basis.

Oh, and the above card also came with Dirt Showdown for free. So for what that is worth, you can even knock a few bucks off the total cost as well.
    
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$279.99 before Mail In Rebate, brand new back at the end of July. The XFX Double D cards go on sell for $250 after rebates/coupons on an extremely regular basis.

Oh, and the above card also came with Dirt Showdown for free. So for what that is worth, you can even knock a few bucks off the total cost as well.

That's nice and all but right now it isn't that price.
     
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Agree. The 290/290x were replaced by the 390/390x and should be the cards represented in these charts. The 290/290x are irreverent to this comparison since they are only left on the shelves because they were not selling worth a crap.

I wanted to say something along those lines, it's kind of pathetic that AMD still has so many 290X's available, and they're selling rebrands at a higher cost at the same time.

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$279.99 before Mail In Rebate, brand new back at the end of July. The XFX Double D cards go on sell for $250 after rebates/coupons on an extremely regular basis.

Oh, and the above card also came with Dirt Showdown for free. So for what that is worth, you can even knock a few bucks off the total cost as well.

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That's nice and all but right now it isn't that price.

Exactly, the reason why the 290X's can't be on this list is because once the remaining stock sells out, they won't be making any more. You can buy the more expensive 290X's instead. ( 390X)
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Sorry, this doesn't work for me.

The article is titled "Best Graphics Cards: Nvidia vs. AMD at Every Price Point". It isn't titled "Best Latest Graphics Cards: Nvidia vs. AMD at Every Price Point". It is an article that was written, from the current perspective, comparing the readily available graphics cards from the two competitors. The 290X is certainly very easy to buy brand new from pretty much any retailer still, regardless of its original release date.

If someone went to Google, and was looking for information on what GPU to buy, right now. Today! If that person came across that chart, they would be screwed. Anyone buying a GPU in the $200+ price range, right now, should absolutely be looking at a 290X first. This article of "Best Graphics Cards: Nvidia vs. AMD at Every Price Point" really is very incomplete. As it isn't specifying the most current generations.

Again, reminder point, this isn't about what generation is what. It is about a person buying something, and what the general retail availability of a product is. The 290X is extremely available still!

It might sound like it is splitting hairs, but it is a pretty important distinction to be made. We, as enthusiasts, understand these things at a level the average consumer doesn't. So when Random Joe goes online for help, and comes across a list like this, it really does a disservice to that person if it isn't clear. Especially when they are going to see a lot of new 290X cards listed with Newegg, Amazon, Tiger, etc, in their search anyways.

EDIT:

If the above wasn't clear, the driving factor behind being so specific in this is that it has to do with another persons money. It is a recommendation list on how a person should spend their money. I can fully appreciate how expensive hardware is to a lot of people, so when a recommendation is made. That recommendation really needs to be spot on. Assuming the product is something that is readily available.
Dang, where do you live? They haven't been available (here) as a new retail item for a long while now.

Once the limited supply of 290/290x cards are sold out, since you know they aren't being made anymore, the only long term option is a 390/390x. Both the 290/290x are EOL and should not be listed as an option on this type of comparison. Sorry.
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I wanted to say something along those lines, it's kind of pathetic that AMD still has so many 290X's available, and they're selling rebrands at a higher cost at the same time.

Exactly, the reason why the 290X's can't be on this list is because once the remaining stock sells out, they won't be making any more. You can buy the more expensive 290X's instead. ( 390X)

Exactly.
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But really, a 280X at $90? You've got to show me where you found the magical land of underpriced GPUs because dude, $130 is the lowest I can find. Saving that much on this project would be a massive, massive help as I can't even afford to look in it's direction, nevermind buy a new CPU, MB, RAM, CPU, GPU. And it needs cooling "rethink" so bad it's not even funny. Seriously, imagine an Athlon II X4 on 1.52v with a 270X on 1.312v, 4x2 DDR2 all choked up inside this thing!: http://thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001914 I bought this thing when I only had silence in my head. (Get it? lol) It does an EXCELLENT, FANTASTIC JOB at utterly killing noise and dampening what it can't kill to near silent, pleasant frequencies. But it's at the cost of terrible airflow for what has become a gaming PC. Cases are impossible to sell, otherwise I would since I have one sitting a year already and the other does not match its task nor the space under the desk. I've got about -0 dollars for a new case though, so it's fans I need. After this 280X goes in it's going to be in big trouble. That's my major concern here.

With no outtake fan unless you count the CPU cooler blowing a little towards the back, one 120mm intake on the bottom, and the stock thing that glows and moves but doesn't actually do anything this thing is an oven. I can't add another fan because the current MB doesn't have the headers for it! Seriously, it's unsavable. There are complaints about it creating "a pillar of heat" and words said like "is that safe?" tongue.gif I've got to lower the amount of wattage it uses and raise the percentage of heat it actively disperses while increasing the processing power by over 9000.

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I am very proud of the bargains I found and would like to continue the trend!

*Sorry if that was too much information. Not really, I'm not sorry. Too bad for you!

Got the 280x off a F/S thread - not without issues, however. The stock fans are broken. Which is not an issue. In process of removing stock shroud and 3x weak 75mm fans, replacing with a pair of 120mm Rosewill ROCF-11004 I have sitting around.

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If you can be patient - scouring the F/S threads on various boards can be a bargain paradise.
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Once the limited supply of 290/290x cards are sold out, since you know they aren't being made anymore, the only long term option is a 390/390x. Both the 290/290x are EOL and should not be listed as an option on this type of comparison. Sorry.
Exactly.

I would argue otherwise, the article is written from the perspective of now, without generational distinction being given. There is significant supply of 290X GPUs available, across multiple retailers. There also hasn't been an official EoL notice posted for the 200 series either. We have no idea how many more 290 or 290X GPUs will be produced by AMD, if not for something as simply fulfilling contractual obligations to the foundry.

A person looking at buying a GPU, today, and viewing this article, would not be given the information about the 290X, it being left out. Although a handful of other 200 series of cards were tested. Again, that is a problem because the 290X is readily available today, right now.

Then again, using the logic of age, the 750 Ti in the list looks a little out of place as well. Since the 950 is here and all.

EDIT:

Just wanted to point out, again, that this article makes no distinction of time. It isn't stating "Current Generation Only" cards, or "Cards Released in The Last 12 Months", or even "Cards You Can Buy in The Future". It is broadly stating "The Best Graphics Cards: Nvidia vs. AMD at Every Price Point". Well, right now, that is pretty much the 290X.

There are no conditions listed for the article. I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree on it though, everyone is going to look at it different.
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This list is a bit of a joke. The fact that the ~$250 290X isn't on it gives enough warrant to ignore it.

Cheapest 290x I'm able to find on newegg is $320 shipped.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202089&cm_re=R9_290x-_-14-202-089-_-Product


Heres a couple under $300

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131665

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150696

A friend of mine bought a powercolor 290X , it's getting better core clocks than my Lightning does, frown.gif
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Check r/hardwareswap on Reddit. It's a great place to buy, not to sell.
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The CPU was a major bottleneck though. Constantly pegged at 100% in BF4, the 270X couldn't do it's work. And of course when your CPU is at 100% it stutters hard. A different sort of stutter. It's quicker and sharper. Almost hurts to watch sometimes. Good thing it's not mine is all I can say. My younger brother uses it although it is technically the family computer. He's in between the "I don't care, as long as it works good" type person and "Hey my FPS dips bad here and but it doesn't say 100% GPU usage? Why?" So sometimes he actually participates in the art/process. Tweaking settings to make it run smoother, etc. I've trained him to close his 50 tabs while playing at least. (my god how are we related).bigeyedsmiley.png

But really, a 280X at $90? You've got to show me where you found the magical land of underpriced GPUs because dude, $130 is the lowest I can find. Saving that much on this project would be a massive, massive help as I can't even afford to look in it's direction, nevermind buy a new CPU, MB, RAM, CPU, GPU. And it needs cooling "rethink" so bad it's not even funny. Seriously, imagine an Athlon II X4 on 1.52v with a 270X on 1.312v, 4x2 DDR2 all choked up inside this thing!: http://thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001914 I bought this thing when I only had silence in my head. (Get it? lol) It does an EXCELLENT, FANTASTIC JOB at utterly killing noise and dampening what it can't kill to near silent, pleasant frequencies. But it's at the cost of terrible airflow for what has become a gaming PC. Cases are impossible to sell, otherwise I would since I have one sitting a year already and the other does not match its task nor the space under the desk. I've got about -0 dollars for a new case though, so it's fans I need. After this 280X goes in it's going to be in big trouble. That's my major concern here.

With no outtake fan unless you count the CPU cooler blowing a little towards the back, one 120mm intake on the bottom, and the stock thing that glows and moves but doesn't actually do anything this thing is an oven. I can't add another fan because the current MB doesn't have the headers for it! Seriously, it's unsavable. There are complaints about it creating "a pillar of heat" and words said like "is that safe?" tongue.gif I've got to lower the amount of wattage it uses and raise the percentage of heat it actively disperses while increasing the processing power by over 9000.

Here's what my plan has already gotten me:

$40 Pentium G3258 (Will delid and OC to as close to 10Ghz as possible)
$112 Gigabyte Z97X SOC-Force (This will help)
$49.49 Samsung Wonder Ram 2X4GB (You may see a pattern that I like to overclock)
$35 Corsair H80i as part of 4670k $155 combo!!! (Me: FX-6350 > 4670k) (A shame I cannot overclock the fans as that would probably solve the issue)

I am very proud of the bargains I found and would like to continue the trend!

*Sorry if that was too much information. Not really, I'm not sorry. Too bad for you!
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It is amazing that people was so caught up in the Fury x /390/390x release that the 290x pricing got over looked as I had my choice between the 290x and 390 but the 290x came in at like $260 and that was the Sapphire Tri X 290x New Edition that is selling for $344 now.
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