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Originally Posted by miklkit View Post

It is not the size that you are complaining about as radiators and their fans are at least as large. The difference is that the radiators are set to the front and top and rear of the case, not the middle. They take up more actual room but are placed where they are not as easy to see.

I don't like all those thick unsightly hoses twisting and turning all around inside the case. They look very messy.

The major difference is that the radiator doesn't cover up close to half of my motherboard, while obstructing RAM slots like the NH-D14. The radiator goes in a spot where I would have just had a couple of fans anyways. There's a big difference between something taking up space over a "busy" motherboard arrangement, and something taking up space in an area meant for a radiator.

Does this require further clarification, or do you see what I'm saying now?
post #82 of 88
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Originally Posted by blaze2210 View Post

The major difference is that the radiator doesn't cover up close to half of my motherboard, while obstructing RAM slots like the NH-D14. The radiator goes in a spot where I would have just had a couple of fans anyways. There's a big difference between something taking up space over a "busy" motherboard arrangement, and something taking up space in an area meant for a radiator.

Does this require further clarification, or do you see what I'm saying now?
We understand what you are saying, but we do not agree with it. tongue.gif

What is covered by cooler on many motherboards is just ugly traces and caps anyway. Most of us are not changing our RAM unless there is a failure, and if a little common sense us used and normal short RAM is used instead of those gauddy monstrosities with unrealistically large "heat spreaders" many RAM come with even though it serves no real function .. and sometimes results in higher RAM temps then without any "heat spreader" at all.

To me most loops are rather ugly. All those hoses and big fittings are ugly, ugly, ugly. Some rigid tubing loops look good is nice clean lines with same radius bends and all lines being vertical, horizontal or at clean angles .. like looking at an electricians rigid conduit or pipe fitters plumbing that is very well done Windows used to have a screen safer that looked okay. wink.gif

Besides, this is the AIR COOLING forum. If you don't like air go elsewhere. biggrin.gif
Edited by doyll - 11/1/15 at 9:27am
post #83 of 88
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Originally Posted by doyll View Post

I'm so tired of hearing all the hype about NH-D15 It's a very good cooler, but so are many others. . NH-D15 has 1500rpm fans moving more air than fan on other top coolers. Silver Arrow SB-E & IB-E Extreme and SST-HE01 give lower temps with stock fans, but that's because they have 2500rpm and 2000rpm fans respectively. NH-D15 is no better than many other top coolers when tested with same fans. Testing has show NH-D14, PH-TC14PE, R1, and many others perform just as well as NH-D15 with same fans.

I'm not saying ther NH-D15 is not one of the best coolers out there. But if you want to praise Noctua, praise them for their fantastic customer support which if not the best probably has the longest record of great performance.

It's the fin density of the D15 that is the reason why he think the D15 would do better. With a set of 3x 3000 rpm Gentle Typhoons on both a D15 and D14, I'd bet that if you were to run say, a 5960X overclocked, the D15 will likely outperform the D14 by several degrees.

It's not any different than radiators for water cooling really.

Here is an example, the HWLabs Black Ice GTX:
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/06/03/black-ice-gtx/all/1/

At 750 rpm, with it's high fin density, it comes dead last:


But once you get into the high speed fan realm, it jumps from last to first because of its high fin density:


The D15 isn't any different. At low rpms, I fully expect the D14 to outperform the D15. But the D15 will outperform it where it matters - load with medium to high speed fans. The Deepcool Assassin (at least Assassin 1) is very similar in that regard, very high fin density. The Cryorig R1 series back half too has a high fin density which should do well.

But I agree with you on one thing - Noctua is far from unbeatable. Their fans so far have been generally overrated and there are equals at high rpm, like the R1 and Deepcool Assassin. There does seem to be this sort of "cult". I mean if another maker, say Phanteks were to release a slightly revised cooler, I think it's very possible to beat the D15 by a few degrees at load.

Personally I like the Cryorig better so that is what I use and recommend.

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Originally Posted by blaze2210 View Post

Holy hell man! What in the world is that?!? biggrin.gif

That would be the Cryorig AF41.




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Originally Posted by blaze2210 View Post

The major difference is that the radiator doesn't cover up close to half of my motherboard, while obstructing RAM slots like the NH-D14. The radiator goes in a spot where I would have just had a couple of fans anyways. There's a big difference between something taking up space over a "busy" motherboard arrangement, and something taking up space in an area meant for a radiator.

Does this require further clarification, or do you see what I'm saying now?

Actually strictly from a performance standpoint, it's a good thing to have a cooler cover up half the motherboard.

It blows air over the VRM coolers, which is something that CLCs depending on their positioning don't always do. They also cool the RAM, although that isn't as important (RAM doesn't run that hot).

Personally for me, function trumps aesthetics.




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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

yah. well the thermalright case heatsink doesn't quite work since you have to take everything apart if you wanted to "open the case" smile.gif i can see a big TIM bill at the end of the year biggrin.gif scythe did something similar but to a lesser extreme with the susanoo (godhand)




the ultima 90 was very nice. but the fin density required a really strong fan so noctua kinda won that battle. but yes, it would have been nice if they continued with that project and maybe made a twin tower version or something to that effect.


I think they needed to point the fans upwards. Pancake fans often do better sucking cool air from the motherboard and upwards.

The other problem I see with that design is that that tall GPUs like the MSI Lightning series would have clearance issues. A taller cooler would have been needed.
Edited by CrazyElf - 11/1/15 at 9:42am
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post #84 of 88
More clarification is needed as to why watercooling is so pretty. Mostly it ends up looking like this.
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post #85 of 88
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Originally Posted by CrazyElf View Post

It's the fin density of the D15 that is the reason why he think the D15 would do better. With a set of 3x 3000 rpm Gentle Typhoons on both a D15 and D14, I'd bet that if you were to run say, a 5960X overclocked, the D15 will likely outperform the D14 by several degrees.

It's not any different than radiators for water cooling really.
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Here is an example, the HWLabs Black Ice GTX:
http://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/06/03/black-ice-gtx/all/1/

At 750 rpm, with it's high fin density, it comes dead last:


But once you get into the high speed fan realm, it jumps from last to first because of its high fin density:

The D15 isn't any different. At low rpms, I fully expect the D14 to outperform the D15. But the D15 will outperform it where it matters - load with medium to high speed fans. The Deepcool Assassin (at least Assassin 1) is very similar in that regard, very high fin density. The Cryorig R1 series back half too has a high fin density which should do well.

But I agree with you on one thing - Noctua is far from unbeatable. Their fans so far have been generally overrated and there are equals at high rpm, like the R1 and Deepcool Assassin. There does seem to be this sort of "cult". I mean if another maker, say Phanteks were to release a slightly revised cooler, I think it's very possible to beat the D15 by a few degrees at load.

Personally I like the Cryorig better so that is what I use and recommend.
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I understand your D15 hypothesis, but not sure I agree with it. From testing I've done and other I know the D15, PH-TC14PE, R1 Ultimate. Silver Arrow IB-E, HE01 and probably even others are so close to the same performance there is no definitive "best"
Fin density is similar to others.

Fin Spacing:
NH-D15 = 2.25mm
Silver Arrow = 1.89mm
PH-TC14PE = 2.61mm
R1 = 2.4mm (frt) 1.8mm (bk)
K2 = 2.3mm
From data you posted
http://www.overclock.net/t/1493939/fin-densities-of-dual-tower-cpu-coolers-discussion/0_20.


Seems D15 is somewhere in the middle

As for fans, Thermalright TY-14x series fans work very well and are better priced than most. Problem is they can be hard to find. ThermalBench just tested the TY-147A on a radiator and it did quite well .. one of the better fans he's tested.
"... we see that the TY-147A is one of the quietest fans here trading places with the Phanteks PH-F140MP. This is mostly because it is not the strongest performer, as seen in the RPM to airflow plot, with a lot of fans outperforming it here and thus airflow noise being relatively low for the TY-147A. So when we look at the fan from the airflow to noise perspective, the TY-147A does a good job overall once again trading places with the PH-140MP in the better half of the test group. It even comes close to the EK Vardar F2-140 which is saying something!"

http://thermalbench.com/2015/10/31/thermalright-ty-147a-140mm-fan/
Edited by doyll - 11/1/15 at 11:19am
post #86 of 88
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Originally Posted by blaze2210 View Post

The major difference is that the radiator doesn't cover up close to half of my motherboard, while obstructing RAM slots like the NH-D14. The radiator goes in a spot where I would have just had a couple of fans anyways. There's a big difference between something taking up space over a "busy" motherboard arrangement, and something taking up space in an area meant for a radiator.

Does this require further clarification, or do you see what I'm saying now?

arguing about aesthetics is pointless.... some people prefer the looks of radiator, but others prefer the looks of large heatsinks... it's a personal preference.... there really isn't anything to argue about when it comes to personal taste....

for you a large heatsink may look atrocious where as for some, that large heatsink adds to the character of their build and "looks better" it's really not something we can intelligently discuss either way.
post #87 of 88
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Originally Posted by psyclum View Post

for you a large heatsink may look atrocious where as for some, that large heatsink adds to the character of their build and "looks better" it's really not something we can intelligently discuss either way.

When it all comes down to it, BEAUTY is ONLY within the EYE of the BEHOLDER helpinghand.gif .
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When it all comes down to it, BEAUTY is ONLY within the EYE of the BEHOLDER helpinghand.gif .

Indeed xD
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