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post #11 of 21
Ok, instead of :

FX6300 + Gigabyte 990FX + HD6450 (total 324 $), you can do:

AMD A10-7850K + GIGABYTE GA-F2A88X-D3H FM2+ / FM2 AMD A88X (Bolton D4) 8 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113359

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128656&cm_re=Gigabyte_FM2%2b-_-13-128-656-_-Product

These two cost 204 $ in total and you don't have to buy GPU. The A10 7850K has integrated GPU which is miles better than HD6450.

With the 120$ difference, you can add an SSD, like :

Kingston SSDNow V300 Series SV300S3N7A/240G 2.5" 240GB 105$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721114&cm_re=Kingston_SSD_240GB-_-20-721-114-_-Product

The Kingston is probably the slowest 240GB SSD, but i can't make the pcpartpicker thing work for me, so there may be something at better price, but i don't have time to dig deep.


The idea is APU plus FM2+ motherboard + SSD 240GB instead of FX6300 + 990FX + HD6450.

Someone more accustomed to partpicker may find better parts, i am actually not very well versed in FM2+ motherboards, i picked one that seemed decent and reasonable price and with good reviews.

You can also go down with the PSU to something like XFX TS 430W.


The rest, same as Wizard.


EDIT: I saw now Painkiller's proposal and it's more like what i would have liked too. The SSD he proposes is also better.

EDIT 2: Sorry, i didn't realize that CDN was meaning Canadian dollars. tongue.gif
Edited by Undervolter - 10/27/15 at 12:57pm
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post #12 of 21
I'd say he wouldn't even need a 990 since hes not overclocking
970s are good for stock
Its a 6 vs 4core build
Plus huge diffrence performance in GPU?
Built in is much solwer than GPU in my expriences, don't own a fm2 cpu so I can't comment
post #13 of 21
You could also do something like this and easily out perform an APU build

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($140.03 @ Vuugo)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-DGS R2.0 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($49.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury White 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Kingston HyperX Fury 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ NCIX)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.03 @ Vuugo)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R7 260X 2GB Video Card ($131.98 @ Newegg Canada)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1000 USB 3.0 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($54.00 @ Vuugo)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.98 @ NCIX)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (32/64-bit) ($107.92 @ shopRBC)
Total: $698.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-10-27 16:39 EDT-0400

Make minor adjustments as you wish.
Edited by iinversion - 10/27/15 at 1:39pm
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post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thank you for all the help so far, I might try to find a video card somewhere, either for sale section or if someone I know has something lying around.
Which would mitigate the cost a little bit to help with putting together a build, rather than resorting to a Prebuilt rig.

I feel like AMD is the way to go for this, hopefully FX series if I can find a video card on the cheap.

As a last resort might just have to tell them to wait until they can increase budget a little bit, which will get them a MUCH better PC.
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Originally Posted by Iwamotto Tetsuz View Post

Plus huge diffrence performance in GPU?
Built in is much solwer than GPU in my expriences, don't own a fm2 cpu so I can't comment

Compare:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArJNHvTFUoA

^ Read his video info and look at settings.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_a10_7850k_apu_review,10.html

HD6450 is a 2011 25W TDP card. Even back in 2011, playing modern (at the time) games at 1080p, was wishful thinking.

http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu/AMD+Radeon+HD+6450/review

Read and laugh:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_6450_Passive/13.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Sapphire/HD_6450_Passive/11.html

I can play on it, because i play pre-2007 games. Those games, yes, it plays them fine. New games, no.
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post #16 of 21
Yeah a 6450 is a rebranded 5450.

Even a lowly Intel Celeron has a better iGPU than a 6450 lol. A complete waste of money card. You can buy them on eBay for less than $10 even.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Radeon-HD-6450-vs-Intel-HD-Graphics-G4-PentiumCeleron-105115-GHz/m7821vsm7701
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Yeah a 6450 is a rebranded 5450.

Even a lowly Intel Celeron has a better iGPU than a 6450 lol. A complete waste of money card. You can buy them on eBay for less than $10 even.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Radeon-HD-6450-vs-Intel-HD-Graphics-G4-PentiumCeleron-105115-GHz/m7821vsm7701

Not exactly rebranded. It has double the shaders and improvements in the UVD (supports also 3D Blu Ray). Also TDP is like 27W vs 19W. I know these by heart, since they were my bread and butter cards of the time. Great for non gamers and plenty of passive models to choose from too. But you can't hope to play anything with them nowdays, unless you just play flash games. The most modern game i play on them is "Plants vs Zombies". Amazing fluidity! biggrin.gif
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post #18 of 21
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Not exactly rebranded. It has double the shaders and improvements in the UVD (supports also 3D Blu Ray). Also TDP is like 27W vs 19W. I know these by heart, since they were my bread and butter cards of the time. Great for non gamers and plenty of passive models to choose from too. But you can't hope to play anything with them nowdays, unless you just play flash games. The most modern game i play on them is "Plants vs Zombies". Amazing fluidity! biggrin.gif

Wow you are right. I never bothered to look at the specs of each card.

I was under the assumption all these years that it was a rebrand. /fail
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Wow you are right. I never bothered to look at the specs of each card.

I was under the assumption all these years that it was a rebrand. /fail

Don't worry. It's natural, because you follow high performance cards. Low TDP cards are my specialty. 160 vs 80 shaders. I remember all specs by heart. I actually liked MORE the HD5450, because game wise the difference is so small that doesn't matter. I mean, if one plays it at 5 fps and the other at 8 fps, they are both unplayable, so why bother. But the HD5450 runs always cooler. I got the 6450s only because they had newer UVD and support for 3D Blue Ray (that i never ended up using). So HD 5450 is the real winner. Most HD5450 cards were actually lower TDP than declared. At least in power draw the idle and max were like 10W-12W difference.
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I'd go for a 2 gb r7 serirs gpu not hd6000 5000
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