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It's basically jumped up tablet hardware. They (both Sony and MS, especially MS considering how big the Xbone is) could have at least used mid-range desktop PC hardware, sold the consoles at cost (or even at a loss like they did with last gen) and get most of their money from licensing instead of making a profit with the hardware as well as licensing.

The PS4 is significantly more powerful than the PC of the guy I was questioning who called it "garbage," so I'm just kind of wondering why he considers it garbage...
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You're making yourself look stupid. Of course the APU's are cheap, these things are always built to a cost.

If they are sold at cost, how come a regular consumer could buy desktop PC hardware (in late 2013-early 2014) for around the same price as the PS4 and Xbone are sold at that could match or beat it when it comes to gaming?

Sony and MS probably get huge bulk buy discounts since they are buying millions of components from AMD. They are most likely making $40-$50 profit per console sold, which in this industry is a huge profit. Lets not forget XBL and PS+ that is another $60/year that they aren't really using to improve their servers.
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The PS4 is significantly more powerful than the PC of the guy I was questioning who called it "garbage," so I'm just kind of wondering why he considers it garbage...

Doesn't change the fact that it's jumped up tablet hardware.
   
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If they are sold at cost, how come a regular consumer could buy desktop PC hardware (in late 2013-early 2014) for around the same price as the PS4 and Xbone are sold at that could match or beat it when it comes to gaming?

Wow, people still believe that nonsense? You can't even do that today, unless you find amazing deals on used parts, in which case you might as well look at the price of a used PS4.

Build an identical PC in terms of raw power. You still can't match the price and you still have the overhead of Windows.

EDIT: InB4 someone tries to use a 750Ti (which is still less powerful than a PS4 gpu) and the most notoriously poorly-coded multiplats as an example
Edited by Tempest2000 - 10/28/15 at 8:11am
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Wow, people still believe that nonsense? You can't even do that today, unless you find amazing deals on used parts, in which case you might as well look at the price of a used PS4.

Build an identical PC in terms of raw power. You still can't match the price and you still have the overhead of Windows.

I'm talking about just the hardware.

I doubt Sony and MS have to pay themselves $100-$150 to install their OS on their consoles.
   
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How quickly some threads devolve into platform elitism and bashing rolleyes.gif

Anyway, it looks damn amazing but Heavy Rain wasn't my cup of tea so I'm hesitant about it.
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I'm talking about just the hardware.

I doubt Sony and MS have to pay themselves $100-$150 to install their OS on their consoles.

I was referring to the performance overhead of running Windows while gaming, adding to my point that even if you match a PS4 in raw hardware performance, you're still going to get noticeably worse gaming performance from that PC. On top of that you also have lack of specific-hardware coding/optimization for PC, which brings it down even more so.

Cost of OS is another thing... bottom line is that you won't get anything nearly as capable as a PS4 for a similar price from a Windows PC.
Edited by Tempest2000 - 10/28/15 at 8:26am
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Another walking simulator?
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Another walking simulator?

Walking simulator/ad spot/tech demo

Detroit has more craters IMO, too clean
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I was referring to the performance overhead of running Windows while gaming, adding to my point that even if you match a PS4 in raw hardware performance, you're still going to get noticeably worse gaming performance from that PC. On top of that you also have lack of specific-hardware coding/optimization for PC, which brings it down even more so.

Cost of OS is another thing... bottom line is that you won't get anything nearly as capable as a PS4 for a similar price from a Windows PC.

I'm not basing what I am saying on raw performance specs. I'm basing it on benchmarks DigitalFoundry did early last year.

A PC that cost ~$400 brand new, not including sales at the time (excluding a copy of Windows), the same price as a PS4 or Xbone at the time could match or beat both both of them in actual gaming benchmarks with better graphics settings and/or higher resolution and/or better frame rate.

Again, I don't see why Sony and MS could have done what they did last gen (but not as extreme) and make a bit of a loss on the hardware, then make up for that with licensing and the now mandatory fees if you want to play online. It would be a win-win for everybody. Including PC only gamers.
   
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I'm not basing what I am saying on raw performance specs. I'm basing it on benchmarks DigitalFoundry did early last year.

A PC that cost ~$400 brand new, not including sales at the time (excluding a copy of Windows), the same price as a PS4 or Xbone at the time could match or beat both both of them in actual gaming benchmarks with better graphics settings and/or higher resolution and/or better frame rate.

Again, I don't see why Sony and MS could have done what they did last gen (but not as extreme) and make a bit of a loss on the hardware, then make up for that with licensing and the now mandatory fees if you want to play online. It would be a win-win for everybody. Including PC only gamers.

Seeing as they are in the business of making money, it's not difficult to see why they went the route they did this time around. wink.gif Sadly It's not quite the jump that we got with the previous gen consoles, but with their low overhead and fixed hardware it's definitely an improvement regardless. I don't think similarly priced hardware on the PC side will be able to pull off visual fidelity like we see here.
Edited by PhRe4k - 10/28/15 at 9:59am
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