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So, November 1st or 30th?

I just inherited another AMD APU based system (my mother just passed and the rig I built her last Christmas isn't being used anymore) and wondering how this will impact it's performance as a backup gaming rig for my daughter or friends who come over.
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How about CCCP pack? The newest has a 64bit version.

...WHAT?! How the hell did I miss the release of a 64-bit version of madVR? Anything I need to know before I convert my setup to 64-bit video?
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I used to recommend KCP, but SVP 4 is a better choice these days IMHO. It installs everything KCP does, but it also installs and configures FFDShow so you can use real time FFDShow filters and AviSynth scripts.

I'd like to agree on this point, but FFDShow's development is pretty much dead (even FFDShow Tryouts, the branch that SVP uses) and is surpassed by LAV Filters in almost every way. I know I'm not the only one who's wanted SVP to move away from FFDShow, and the SVP thread here on OCN will show that clearly.

SVP 4 uses LAV filters. The FFDShow raw video filter is there to run SVP's AviSynth script, but you can also use it to insert other AviSynth/FFDShow effects.


I never use any of FFDShow's other internal features though. The AviSynth scripts I've found generally do a better job than FFDShow's video filters.

The last time I asked they said it wasn't possible to switch to LAV and because they needed some raw output from FFDshow. Got a source for me to read about this? I've been wanting this for a long time!

https://www.svp-team.com/wiki/Changelog
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+ LAV video decoder with HW acceleration is now used by default;

I've never even used SVP without LAV filters. I'm too young to remember that tongue.gif
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I use CCCP for most videos. But it doesn't like some 1080p mkv files, in those cases I use VLC player. All this talk about efficiency is silly, even an old Core 2 Quad can play 1080p video smoothly on any player.
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I use CCCP for most videos. But it doesn't like some 1080p mkv files, in those cases I use VLC player. All this talk about efficiency is silly, even an old Core 2 Quad can play 1080p video smoothly on any player.

Standard high-end HTPC software setup consists of MPC-HC (32bit) + LAV (Splitter, Video, Audio) + ReClock (only works with 32bit players) + madVR and both VLC & CCCP pale in comparison to it. There is absolutely no reason to download Codec Packs today. Days since codecs could/would mess you your media file associations or whatever else are LOOONG GONE.

MPC-HC - the simplest powerful player (a standard you can say), but you can also get PotPlayer, Kodi, or JRiver Media Center - all of these are good
LAV (Splitter, Audio, VIdeo) - the best filters that support the highest number of video and audio types and work wonderfully with MPC-HC, ReClock, and madVR
ReClock - needed if you want perfect synchronization of audio and video during playback of 23p/24p films, but works only with 32bit players, like MPC-HC 32bit. It can also be replaced with JRiver Media Player's Video Sync (supports 64bit), which is the only other way of perfectly synchronizing video and audio during 23p/24p playback
madVR - the world's most powerful video renderer, capable of improving image quality beyond any other renderer times 10000000^100000000m, but to get that awesome image quality you need a powerful GPU (GTX 970 at least)

To get the above to work together - install them all, then open MPC-HC directory and delete LAV folder (not necessary, but I advice it), then open MPC-HC - go to Options - Internal Filters and untick all Internal Filters. Then find External filters, and add each of the following - LAV Splitter (not Source Splitter), LAV Audio, LAV Video, ReClock, and madVR. Then make sure that "Preferred" is selected for each of them in MPC-HC External Filters options. Then go to MPC-HC Options - Playback - Output, select madVR for DirectShow Video and ReClock Audio Renderer for Audio Renderer. Then you have to set all the right settings for each, depending on your hardware and desires, but I won't be typing them up unless you really want to know, in which case you can just PM me!
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They also like Yify rips, 128k mp3, hotpockets, Windows 8 etc. See how quickly argumentum ad populum goes haywire. Personally, I detest the UI, font rendering and the video glitching. But if it works for you, more power to you.
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I've never even used SVP without LAV filters. I'm too young to remember that tongue.gif
I think we're talking about different things here, SVP can't play videos without FFDShow, if you don't switch to it, you get the error "Waiting for ffdshow video".
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I use CCCP for most videos. But it doesn't like some 1080p mkv files, in those cases I use VLC player. All this talk about efficiency is silly, even an old Core 2 Quad can play 1080p video smoothly on any player.
See this is exactly what I'm talking about. No other codec pack covers everything.

As for VLC. I must say it's fantastic IF YOU'RE BLIND. I can't even be polite about it. If you have eyes, you can clearly see the VLC's renderer sucks. It takes no more power for MPC-BE to do a massively better job, even without madVR. In fact it's more efficient. You should have less load than VLC. But I'm not just going to sit here without sourcing my work. : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


LOOK AT THE BLUR AND HAZE vvv


Even this guy is saying it. VLC is not a good media player.


The fact that you can see such a massive difference after being downscaled from the original resolution and converted to jpg and yet again downscaled by OCN into a smaller resolution SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HOW FREAKING AWFUL VLC'S RENDERER IS. I call it the Gray Haze Renderer, because that's what it does, put a disgusting gray haze over everything.

You can come back from these depths though. Repent and vow never to use VLC again and you shall be forgiven.

VLC is the equivalent of an obviously poor chinese knock off that only a fool would buy. MPC-BE is the equivalent of a very high quality item with precision engineering, and MPC-HC is about that as well, just older and past it's prime. (There was a disagreement and a fork years ago, the "brains of the bunch" or innovators went with MPC-BE, MPC-HE has since moved much more slowly and been overtaken by MPC-HC, though they are still friend projects and help each other out giving code). It's a rough comparison, I know. I can't speak for others as I haven't spent enough time with them to really assess them. That's what happens when you're satisfied. tongue.gif

And one more thing about VLC. Everybody who says they use it says it like this "Oh I just use VLC, it's easy". or "VLC plays most things so I use it". or even "what else do you use." The theme here is ignorance. Most VLC users use it because they don't know better. Many, many years year ago I did as well. But after seeing comparisin photos like the ones above I realized there was a much better way. Next stop was MPC-HC and then when I actually heard about it, MPC-BE. Once you understand more about the history of the two players you'll pick MPC-BE.

@MonarchX You see that is exactly why we still need codec packs. The fact that it must be explained in such detail that it becomes a GUIDE is the problem. You are correct about the issues codec packs cause. Shark007 is FULLY aware of exactly this and his manifesto states that he uses only the bare minimum to complete the job correctly, just as you are doing. I wouldn't be surprised if the end result was very similar to your methods but included some additional codecs for obscure formats and alternate playback methods.

EDIT:His codecs aren't all "installed" on top of each other though. First there's filters like LAV, Gabest, FFDShow, etc. all put into one installer, then some additional single codecs to cover anything mussed without overlapping. There is a control panel where you switch between what you cannot use at the same time. Look: (Don't mind the theme with his horrid UI, that's the one downside)


By default that's at LAV, but I have to switch it to FFDShow to use SVP. When you switch one is made active and the other disabled. There's a list of active and disabled codecs in windows, this toggles them. When it uninstalls it puts everything back EXACTLY how it was. There is NO BREAKAGE with any other program EVER.
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The little guide I wrote for MPC-HC + LAV + ReClock + madVR is the basics of K-Lite Codec Pack. Its the same thing really. I just like my setup to be clean of everything unnecessary. Codec packs for for those who everything simplified and want to play the highest number of available video and audio file types, BUT if you want to achieve the highest quality for your system specs, you're going to have to dig deeper into each one, and at the very least learn how to setup a clean HTPC system without any codec packs. I mean I can write a huge guide here on how to set up madVR alone NOT including 3DLUT calibration, which is a sub-topic bigger than madVR + HTPC setup settings combined. Took me quite a while to figure things out and even now I check out Doom9 madVR thread every so many days.
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MPDN is a good alternative media player. Has most of the benefits of MadVR built in.
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I use CCCP for most videos. But it doesn't like some 1080p mkv files, in those cases I use VLC player. All this talk about efficiency is silly, even an old Core 2 Quad can play 1080p video smoothly on any player.

Standard high-end HTPC software setup consists of MPC-HC (32bit) + LAV (Splitter, Video, Audio) + ReClock (only works with 32bit players) + madVR and both VLC & CCCP pale in comparison to it. There is absolutely no reason to download Codec Packs today. Days since codecs could/would mess you your media file associations or whatever else are LOOONG GONE.

MPC-HC - the simplest powerful player (a standard you can say), but you can also get PotPlayer, Kodi, or JRiver Media Center - all of these are good
LAV (Splitter, Audio, VIdeo) - the best filters that support the highest number of video and audio types and work wonderfully with MPC-HC, ReClock, and madVR
ReClock - needed if you want perfect synchronization of audio and video during playback of 23p/24p films, but works only with 32bit players, like MPC-HC 32bit. It can also be replaced with JRiver Media Player's Video Sync (supports 64bit), which is the only other way of perfectly synchronizing video and audio during 23p/24p playback
madVR - the world's most powerful video renderer, capable of improving image quality beyond any other renderer times 10000000^100000000m, but to get that awesome image quality you need a powerful GPU (GTX 970 at least)

To get the above to work together - install them all, then open MPC-HC directory and delete LAV folder (not necessary, but I advice it), then open MPC-HC - go to Options - Internal Filters and untick all Internal Filters. Then find External filters, and add each of the following - LAV Splitter (not Source Splitter), LAV Audio, LAV Video, ReClock, and madVR. Then make sure that "Preferred" is selected for each of them in MPC-HC External Filters options. Then go to MPC-HC Options - Playback - Output, select madVR for DirectShow Video and ReClock Audio Renderer for Audio Renderer. Then you have to set all the right settings for each, depending on your hardware and desires, but I won't be typing them up unless you really want to know, in which case you can just PM me!

Someone requested a specific guide, so I wrote one up with SVP already biggrin.gif

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheLastAirbender/comments/3o5f0g/no_spoilers_avatar_video_quality_guide_rewatch/

It's optimized for poorly encoded animation, but to tweak it for live action, just set SVP to film mode, don't touch the MadVR deinterlacing settings, and skip the dehalo filter. It also works with Kodi DSPlayer, which uses LAV and MadVR by default.

For MadVR, I highly recommend Jinc image upscaling and the separate Super-Res sharpening filter first, then tweak chroma upscaling and image doubling until your hardware can't handle it.




I would've made a separate thread for all this already, but as I said, 99% of people just don't care. Motion interpolation flew completely under the radar with the last Omega driver release frown.gif
Edited by brucethemoose - 10/30/15 at 6:51pm
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Me hopes AMD allowz customers to get virtualization (Tablet/Laptop) via dGPU.. AMD havze hardware built inside APU/dGPU already...nVidia havze Software based virtualization only. Maybe give it away for free for some months... Its there doing nothing anyway

Do it AMD http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-unveils-worlds-2015aug31.aspx

That is a Firepro capability IIRC

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so release date is gonna be november 30 for the press to do their hype thing. december 7th for the rest of the world. Amd surprise me!

Dude is that speculation or fact?

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So, November 1st or 30th?

I just inherited another AMD APU based system (my mother just passed and the rig I built her last Christmas isn't being used anymore) and wondering how this will impact it's performance as a backup gaming rig for my daughter or friends who come over.

Sorry for your loss dude
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