Originally Posted by cookieboyeli @brucethemoose
I think we're talking about different things here, SVP can't play videos without FFDShow, if you don't switch to it, you get the error "Waiting for ffdshow video".
See this is exactly what I'm talking about. No other codec pack covers everything.
As for VLC. I must say it's fantastic IF YOU'RE BLIND.
I can't even be polite about it. If you have eyes, you can clearly see the VLC's renderer sucks. It takes no more power for MPC-BE to do a massively better job, even without madVR. In fact it's more efficient. You should have less
load than VLC. But I'm not just going to sit here without sourcing my work. :
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LOOK AT THE BLUR AND HAZE vvv
Even this guy is saying it. VLC is not a good media player.
The fact that you can see such a massive difference after being downscaled from the original resolution and converted to jpg and yet again downscaled by OCN into a smaller resolution SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HOW FREAKING AWFUL VLC'S RENDERER IS. I call it the Gray Haze Renderer, because that's what it does, put a disgusting gray haze over everything.
You can come back from these depths though. Repent and vow never to use VLC again and you shall be forgiven.
VLC is the equivalent of an obviously poor chinese knock off that only a fool would buy. MPC-BE is the equivalent of a very high quality item with precision engineering, and MPC-HC is about that as well, just older and past it's prime. (There was a disagreement and a fork years ago, the "brains of the bunch" or innovators went with MPC-BE, MPC-HE has since moved much more slowly and been overtaken by MPC-HC, though they are still friend projects and help each other out giving code). It's a rough comparison, I know. I can't speak for others as I haven't spent enough time with them to really assess them. That's what happens when you're satisfied.
And one more thing about VLC. Everybody who says they use it says it like this "Oh I just
use VLC, it's easy". or "VLC plays most things so I use it". or even "what else do you use." The theme here is ignorance. Most VLC users use it because they don't know better. Many, many years year ago I did as well. But after seeing comparisin photos like the ones above I realized there was a much better way. Next stop was MPC-HC and then when I actually heard
about it, MPC-BE. Once you understand more about the history of the two players you'll pick MPC-BE.@MonarchX
You see that is exactly why we still need codec packs. The fact that it must be explained in such detail that it becomes a GUIDE is the problem. You are correct about the issues codec packs cause. Shark007 is FULLY aware of exactly this and his manifesto states that he uses only the bare minimum to complete the job correctly, just as you are doing. I wouldn't be surprised if the end result was very similar to your methods but included some additional codecs for obscure formats and alternate playback methods.
EDIT:His codecs aren't all "installed" on top of each other though. First there's filters like LAV, Gabest, FFDShow, etc. all put into one installer, then some additional single codecs to cover anything mussed without overlapping. There is a control panel where you switch between what you cannot use at the same time. Look: (Don't mind the theme with his horrid UI, that's the one downside)
By default that's at LAV, but I have to switch it to FFDShow to use SVP. When you switch one is made active and the other disabled. There's a list of active and disabled codecs in windows, this toggles them. When it uninstalls it puts everything back EXACTLY how it was. There is NO BREAKAGE with any other program EVER.