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Just wondering, what kinda of videos people are watching who "need" codec packs? I haven't installed any codec pack for years and had not a single issue playing any video that I have come across. No beating mpc-hc/be + madvr combo and those who claim they don't see any difference between madvr and vlc need to get their yes examined. rolleyes.gif
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So, November 1st or 30th?

I just inherited another AMD APU based system (my mother just passed and the rig I built her last Christmas isn't being used anymore) and wondering how this will impact it's performance as a backup gaming rig for my daughter or friends who come over.

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post #93 of 155
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Just wondering, what kinda of videos people are watching who "need" codec packs? I haven't installed any codec pack for years and had not a single issue playing any video that I have come across. No beating mpc-hc/be + madvr combo and those who claim they don't see any difference between madvr and vlc need to get their yes examined. rolleyes.gif
*cough* Well... there are certain videos... they can have strange encoding settings, be outdated, oddly formatted, etc. Really completely ragtag. What are these videos? Well... https://youtu.be/VuE_jqYNi3c?t=40s
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Aye, I know of such videos.

But they also desperately need processing to clean them up. You need a good deinterlacer, adaptive deblocker, GPU sharpener, dehalo filter, GPU denoiser etc. to clean them up, and the MadVR packs give you those through AviSynth and MadVR's processing.
Edited by brucethemoose - 10/30/15 at 8:15pm
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So, November 1st or 30th?

I just inherited another AMD APU based system (my mother just passed and the rig I built her last Christmas isn't being used anymore) and wondering how this will impact it's performance as a backup gaming rig for my daughter or friends who come over.

The press will get the drivers in November first. Then a week or two after you read articles about this driver will the actual customers get the driver. It's a mind boggling paradoxical strategy. It's like they want the customers to read about the fixes for a week or two before the customers are worthy of the driver.....instead of just giving it to everyone (customers and press) all at once. Somehow that is effective marketing.
post #96 of 155
Better VSR support please..
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The press will get the drivers in November first. Then a week or two after you read articles about this driver will the actual customers get the driver. It's a mind boggling paradoxical strategy. It's like they want the customers to read about the fixes for a week or two before the customers are worthy of the driver.....instead of just giving it to everyone (customers and press) all at once. Somehow that is effective marketing.
More like getting opinions from the reviewers, so they know if there is something really urgent to fix.
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The performance increases won't be so significant for people who have been keeping up on updates.

I think AMD just likes to hype up a biggish driver update to prompt review sites to do another slew of benchmarks. Current reviews on AMD cards look horrible. Except for Fury, the vast majority of reviews took place on launch day, or launch day of an NV card. Somehow, the gap seems to always close dramatically over time, and these "omega" drivers are a good way for AMD to draw attention to it.
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I think we're talking about different things here, SVP can't play videos without FFDShow, if you don't switch to it, you get the error "Waiting for ffdshow video".

See this is exactly what I'm talking about. No other codec pack covers everything.

As for VLC. I must say it's fantastic IF YOU'RE BLIND. I can't even be polite about it. If you have eyes, you can clearly see the VLC's renderer sucks. It takes no more power for MPC-BE to do a massively better job, even without madVR. In fact it's more efficient. You should have less load than VLC. But I'm not just going to sit here without sourcing my work. : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)


LOOK AT THE BLUR AND HAZE vvv


Even this guy is saying it. VLC is not a good media player.


The fact that you can see such a massive difference after being downscaled from the original resolution and converted to jpg and yet again downscaled by OCN into a smaller resolution SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HOW FREAKING AWFUL VLC'S RENDERER IS. I call it the Gray Haze Renderer, because that's what it does, put a disgusting gray haze over everything.

You can come back from these depths though. Repent and vow never to use VLC again and you shall be forgiven.

VLC is the equivalent of an obviously poor chinese knock off that only a fool would buy. MPC-BE is the equivalent of a very high quality item with precision engineering, and MPC-HC is about that as well, just older and past it's prime. (There was a disagreement and a fork years ago, the "brains of the bunch" or innovators went with MPC-BE, MPC-HE has since moved much more slowly and been overtaken by MPC-HC, though they are still friend projects and help each other out giving code). It's a rough comparison, I know. I can't speak for others as I haven't spent enough time with them to really assess them. That's what happens when you're satisfied. tongue.gif

And one more thing about VLC. Everybody who says they use it says it like this "Oh I just use VLC, it's easy". or "VLC plays most things so I use it". or even "what else do you use." The theme here is ignorance. Most VLC users use it because they don't know better. Many, many years year ago I did as well. But after seeing comparisin photos like the ones above I realized there was a much better way. Next stop was MPC-HC and then when I actually heard about it, MPC-BE. Once you understand more about the history of the two players you'll pick MPC-BE.

@MonarchX You see that is exactly why we still need codec packs. The fact that it must be explained in such detail that it becomes a GUIDE is the problem. You are correct about the issues codec packs cause. Shark007 is FULLY aware of exactly this and his manifesto states that he uses only the bare minimum to complete the job correctly, just as you are doing. I wouldn't be surprised if the end result was very similar to your methods but included some additional codecs for obscure formats and alternate playback methods.

EDIT:His codecs aren't all "installed" on top of each other though. First there's filters like LAV, Gabest, FFDShow, etc. all put into one installer, then some additional single codecs to cover anything mussed without overlapping. There is a control panel where you switch between what you cannot use at the same time. Look: (Don't mind the theme with his horrid UI, that's the one downside)


By default that's at LAV, but I have to switch it to FFDShow to use SVP. When you switch one is made active and the other disabled. There's a list of active and disabled codecs in windows, this toggles them. When it uninstalls it puts everything back EXACTLY how it was. There is NO BREAKAGE with any other program EVER.

I guess in screenshots there's a small difference, but definitely not big enough difference for me to change my entire setup for it. I've been using codec packs since AngelPotion codecs, then I switched to K-Lite and finally CCCP. I'm not going to follow a lengthy guide to install 4 programs (PC-HC, LAV, ReClock, madVR) and configure them, vs just install CCCP and VLC. Most of my video files are not high quality enough for me to even see the difference. I think most people are in the same situation as me, that's why we use CCCP and VLC.
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Most of my video files are not high quality enough for me to even see the difference. I think most people are in the same situation as me, that's why we use CCCP and VLC.
Why install CCCP at all if you are going to use VLC? That program has all of its own codecs and filters built in and I have never seen anyone need anything else installed along with VLC to play a video file in it.
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