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Help me decide on a RAID Level

Now that I've got this thing up and running (took a while for FreeNAS to play nice and install but it got there in the end) I thought I should decide on what RAID level to go while I'm saving to buy the drives (which will probably be 4TB ones).

I was considering normal RAID levels (not ZFS) but after re-watching some old t.v. shows and movies I've had for years (4+ years, 3 systems) I've been noticing glitches in them which aren't present in my backups which haven't been touched in over a year (I'm a little bad at backing up redface.gif).

These are the 4 I'm deciding between (fault tolerances could be wrong):


RAID 6: Will give me 24TB & 2 drive fault tolerance.

RAID 10: Will give me 16TB & 4 drive fault tolerance.

RAID-Z2: Will give me 24TB & 2 drive fault tolerance.

RAID-Z3: Will give me 20TB & 3 drive fault tolerance.


So for the RAID level this is what I'm after,

Storage is my main concern, with my current set-up I have around 4.5TB worth of stuff, 2.58TB t.v. shows, 1.09TB movies, 853GB games & maybe around 100GB of other crap. It's not much I know but I will be changing all my t.v. shows to 1080p which for some of them is easily 500GB+ so as much storage as I can have would be best.

Fault tolerance is my second concern, I want as many drives to be able to die as possible while keeping as much space as I can.

Rebuild time it would be nice if it didn't take a week to rebuild but if I have to sacrifice this for either of the above things I might (I also know rebuilding is when it's most likely to have another drive fail).

Speed (I mean over all RAID speed) really isn't to much of an issue because it's mostly just me who uses it to add or remove things, may have another 1 or 2 people watching shows or what not but for the most part just me and if I have heaps of files or big files to move I'll just leave the pc on.


So what would you guys recommend, RAID 6, 10, Z2 or Z3? (I have until march to decided biggrin.gif)
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@Aussiejuggalo ... sorry to throw a spanner in the works ... but you also have another decision to make ... and sorry if you know all of this already.

1) Raid level
2) number of pools

Just in case you haven't done this, read the noob guide to FreeNAS the freenas forum.

  • When you set up a FreeNAS server, the data goes inside a zpool (or volume)
  • You can have one or more vDevs (virtual device) inside the zpool
  • You put the HDDs inside the vDev (this is where you decide your level or RAID)
  • If any vDev in a zpool fails, you lose all of your data
  • so ...
    • individual disk failure isn’t the concern with ZFS
    • Vdev failure is!
    • Keep the VDevs healthy and your data is safe

Other considerations ...
  • once you set up a vdev, you cannot add an HDD to it to grow it
  • you can add a vdev to a zpool to grow the zpool

For my NAS, I have one vDev containing 6 x 4TB HDDs in Raid-Z2. So ... I have 4 disks for data and 2 disks for redundancy. If I want to increase the size, I can swap my 4TB disks over to 5TB or 6TB disks ... or I can add a 2nd vDev to the pool.

You have 8 drives. You can either do 1 vDev of all 8 or 2 vDevs of 4 each. If you go 2 vDevs, then 2 redundancy disks gives away too much storage ... so you would go RAID1 for each vDev. That would mean your zpool would fail fail if 2 HDDs failed in the same vDev. That is too scary for my tastes.

So ... 1 vDev of 8 disks. You can either go 2 or 3 HDDs worth of redundancy. Three seems a little bit much but may be the way to go if you aren't available to minister to your zpool regularly (ie out of town for a month).
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Small update

Potato photo of my setup in progress, I will be cleaning it up in the coming months.

Modem, monitor and powerboard on the top shelf, KVM switch (hidden) and printer then finally the 2 computers, left is the NAS right is my current thing.

Keyboard and mouse (once I get them) will be in front of the printer, its kind of a screwy setup but should work seeing the monitors around my eye level and I'll be using a wireless mouse with one of those silicon rollup keyboards.



As for the NAS its self its pretty much fully setup and read for the drives and fans, I still haven't changed the RAID cards firmware from the 9240-8i to 9211-8i yet but will get to that soon.

Fans

I still haven't worked out how I want the fans setup but I'm thinking the top 2 as intake and back as out or something along those lines.

The Drives

I'm thinking I might end up buying 4 to start with (this week) because it's gonna take me another month and a half to 2 months to save for all 8 (rent and electricity went up again mad.gif) and I'm sick of waiting, so I think I'll buy 4 for now just to get it up and running and make sure it all works it'll also give me more than enough storage for now then in a few months I'll buy another 6 drives, 4 to go in it and 2 spares and just rebuild the RAID into one massive 24TB pool.

Yes I know this is a bit of a stuff around but I'd rather have to stuff around later than have to wait upwards of 3 months before getting it even running.

Backups

At the moment I'm using 3 external drives (there also WD Green drives so there slower than a dead tortoise) but I'm getting sick of misplacing them and having to move them around, disconnect and reconnect the USB and power cables so I'm considering buying a Hotway H82-SU3S2 8-bay USB 3.0 non-RAID Enclosure & 8 Western Digital Blue 3TB drives to use as my main backup, this way I can keep it connected to my games server and just backup when needed.

I'll eventually use a matching lot of 3TB WD Blues as a secondary backup running in external drives.

So that's all I've gotten at the moment, I'll be able to order the 4 drives and 3 fans this Wednesday and hopefully by then I have the mouse and keyboard and will have flashed the firmware on the RAID card.
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She's up and running

Got the 4 hard drives and 3 fans today so I got it running biggrin.gif

Firmware

Took me about 2 hours to flash the Raid Card because for some reason the MegaRec file from the guide I was using wouldn't work so took a little while to find one that did but once I got one I was able to flash it in about 5 minutes, flashed it so its just the firmware and no bios loading screen so its a little bit faster to boot.

Fans

The Noctua fans are awesome and pretty quiet but I'm having a problem with them revving up every 10 seconds or so, not sure if its the fans themselves or if its something to do with the motherboard. I couldn't find the monitoring tab in the BIOS either which is weird. If anyone knows what's going on and how to fix it please tell me, the revving up is bugging the hell out of me atm.

Fan setup is, top intake, back out and HDD cages out.

FreeNAS

Once I got FreeNAS setup (RAIDZ2 via the wizard) and had full unrestricted access as a guest I started transferring over files from my Everything Server Thing to the Yet Another X2M NAS,



That's 593GB of 2.59TB from my T.V. Shows drive on my current rig, I'm pretty happy with the speed considering I'm using generic cheap CAT6 cables, even transferring to the SSD's in my Humble SM5 from the drives in my Everything Server Thing is only around 30 - 50MB/s (granted the Humble SM5 is on a 20m cheap CAT6 cable)

All in all I'm pretty happy with this thing, apart from the fans revving its running nice and everything seems to work. I will eventually get the other 4 drives in it but for now these 4 will do.

What's next?

Once I get a little money together again I'll be buying a UPS for everything, we don't have the power go out to often but I'd rather be safe than sorry especially considering how expensive the HDD's are, I'll be cleaning up all the cables around the shelf once I have the UPS as well, I'll also be changing that crap 19" screen to a 22" IPS one (because I can) and finally I'll be slowly saving for the back up system and the rest of the WD Red drives.

Photos

Also got some photos for you all seeing the internal work is done.



The SAS cables are a mess but not much I can do about that.





This had me a little worried, it was a tight fit but the drive still registers.



USB hub for the keyboard and mouse while that blue cable is to the FreeNAS USB.



The full corner biggrin.gif, really hard to take a decent pic of this because the lighting is horrible.




Edited by Aussiejuggalo - 2/9/16 at 8:19pm
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if i may.

i bought my ups for 60 shipped no batteries, server grade ( new 500 $ + ) beat up and " display didnt read charging "

bought new batteries ( 60) and have a refurbished 100% functional apc ups- server grade ! -- i dunno what they couldnt read and i dont care lol

just something to think about and look out for ( smt 1500 ) - newer consumer ups apparently once they hit shutdown mode, even when the power comes back on it will still shutdown --- i didnt want that
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Excellent news. Well done. Are you planning on adding some monitoring scripts to your NAS. I get about 5 or 6 emails overnight that report on various things.
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PSU upside down? You could flip it and let it draw air from outside the case.

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I have those stupid ridges on my cables too. What are they for except to get in the way. I clipped mine off - problem solved.
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if i may.

i bought my ups for 60 shipped no batteries, server grade ( new 500 $ + ) beat up and " display didnt read charging "

bought new batteries ( 60) and have a refurbished 100% functional apc ups- server grade ! -- i dunno what they couldnt read and i dont care lol

just something to think about and look out for ( smt 1500 ) - newer consumer ups apparently once they hit shutdown mode, even when the power comes back on it will still shutdown --- i didnt want that

I thought about getting a server grade UPS but in AUS everything's really expensive and also server grade things are extremely hard to find so I'm probably going to stick with a Cyberpower one, I am going to hunt around though.
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Excellent news. Well done. Are you planning on adding some monitoring scripts to your NAS. I get about 5 or 6 emails overnight that report on various things.

PSU upside down? You could flip it and let it draw air from outside the case.

I have those stupid ridges on my cables too. What are they for except to get in the way. I clipped mine off - problem solved.

Still don't know if I will use the monitoring thing, I might end up ignoring them anyway tongue.gif.

PSU either way it doesn't bother me, I haven't seen any real noticeable difference with there orientation so I normally keep the fans up.

Was tempting to cut them off but once I got the cable in and made sure it was working I wont bother, I think there meant to make it easier to remove the molex connector seeing they are a pain to remove sometimes.



Another little note, I think I'm either going to buy or build a 3 fan PWM controller, after looking around the fans revving up seem to be a common thing with Supermicro boards (apparently its deliberately done by them confused.gif) but either way I cant seem to find a way to stop it and I cant really disconnect them either seeing as it gets pretty hot here.
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i would recommend monitoring your nas, those that dont monitor, lose data
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Excellent news. Well done. Are you planning on adding some monitoring scripts to your NAS. I get about 5 or 6 emails overnight that report on various things.
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PSU upside down? You could flip it and let it draw air from outside the case.

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I have those stupid ridges on my cables too. What are they for except to get in the way. I clipped mine off - problem solved.

they are to help remove the cable
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i would recommend monitoring your nas, those that dont monitor, lose data

Is the email monitoring the only way for monitoring it?

Also anyone with this motherboard (Supermicro A1SRi-2758F) have you tried the IPMI control? was looking it up and apparently you can control pretty much everything from it even the fans tongue.gif (hopefully it can stop them from revving).
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i would recommend monitoring your nas, those that dont monitor, lose data

Is the email monitoring the only way for monitoring it?

I have no idea. I guess you could run SMART tests manually ... but that just seems like too much hard work.

I found a very useful script thread on the FreeNAS forum that got me up and running. Every morning I get a couple of emails that report on the health of my NAS (HDDs, UPS, Temps, etc) and it takes me all of 2 minutes to review them.
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