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Well I don't think it's impossible...

Other than cost, what's to stop a GPU manufacturer from shipping a GPU with it's own power brick?

Probably something to do with PCI specifications for add-in cards. They don't need a power brick when they already take external connectors directly from the PSU.
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Power brick? What do you mean?

Seeing as how Fiji with GDDR5 would be a power hogging monster, a dedicated power brick would probably be needed. tongue.gif
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Seeing as how Fiji with GDDR5 would be a power hogging monster, a dedicated power brick would probably be needed. tongue.gif

That or they would have simply chopped features off Fiji like nvidia did with maxwell if they didn't have HBM to play with.
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Probably something to do with PCI specifications for add-in cards. They don't need a power brick when they already take external connectors directly from the PSU.

PCIe cards officially are only allowed to have 75W from the slot + 75W from a 6-pin connector + 150W from an 8-pin connector total. Past that, they're not PCISIG-certified (Peripheral Component Interconnect Special Interest Group, the guys behind PCI, PCIe, I think AGP, and PCI-X).

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Seeing as how Fiji with GDDR5 would be a power hogging monster, a dedicated power brick would probably be needed. tongue.gif

That's what I thought was meant, a dedicated AC-DC convertor. It just sounded like an odd question since...




...you have one of those already.
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Underpowered. Good one. You do realize that, in terms of floating-point performance, a Fury X is the most powerful GPU ever created? (4096 shader cores * 2 FP32 ops / core) / cycle * 1.05*109 cycles / second = 8.6 TFLOPS. On the other hand a Titan X is "only" (3072 shader cores * 2 FP32 ops / core) / cycle * 1.075*109 cycles / second = 6.6 TFLOPS.

That said, that's theoretical performance only. In actuality they're much closer thanks to Maxwell having a better design and OpenCL being really terrible compared to CUDA. In games, AMD seems to have better crossfire scaling generally speaking, especially with three or four GPUs.
If you aren't overclocking, then it really doesn't matter. They're effectively the same in terms of performance at higher resolutions. The problem there is a lack of VRAM for Fiji-based cards... I'd prefer for my $650 GPU to stick around a bit longer.

The Nano though is pretty phenomenal. Price might not be great, but it's understandable - this is a full Fiji core they could have slapped in a Fury X instead, and it's a highly binned part. You know what those are? Expensive. I like Haswell for this example. A Shark Bay i7-4910MQ is $570 while a desktop i7-4770K is $340. They are identical silicon dies yet one is two-thirds more expensive.

AMD's GCN architecture is entirely different compared to NVIDIA's Maxwell architecture, so you can't really compare the floating point performance accurately across architectures, but I know what you mean.

On the same architecture it is possible to slightly more accurately compare the theoretical floating point performance to other GPUs using the same architecture and potentially have this reflect in the performance, whilst still having a higher degree of accuracy compared to comparing the theoretical performance of a different architecture entirely.

Although I must say, there is definitely something odd with the way how the Fury X scales over the 290X performance-wise, almost as if there is some kind of bottleneck apparent.

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And yeah I agree, the VRAM is a real let down which is unfortunately due to HBM.

4GB VRAM for a GPU with as much power of the Fury X means that the GPU could potentially run in to trouble in the future with games which demand alot of VRAM, especially at higher resolutions than 1080p.

Of-course this can mostly be rectified by the reducing the texture quality settings in games, it's a slight but not drastic compromise for the games that want over a certain amount of VRAM for texture quality settings, as textures are one of the things which consume the most resources.

If I was spending £500+ on a high-end GPU I would prefer to have more than 4GB of VRAM.

The 7970/7950 3GB cards are a prime examples of VRAM future-proofing, so are the 290/290X 4GB cards.
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Oh, I'm aware of how floating-point performance scales. My point was more that Fiji is the most powerful GPU to ever be made in that regard if all goes to plan. Realistically it won't, and Maxwell ends up being the same or better despite lower theoretical performance. I think we can all agree that a Fury X is exactly twice as good as an M295X or a 380X (if it ever launches...) wink.gif

Yeah, I'm really satisfied with my 280 - 7950 v2 - and its 3GB. Hasn't run into any issues at all in GTA V, for instance, though to be fair I don't play too many AAA titles at this point and I'm only running 1080p. I don't think more than 4GB was possible, let alone feasible, when Fiji was designed unfortunately. 2GB HBM stacks would make it incredibly good - half a terabyte per second of bandwidth and a respectable 8GB VRAM would let it last a very long time without needing an upgrade.
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PCIe cards officially are only allowed to have 75W from the slot + 75W from a 6-pin connector + 150W from an 8-pin connector total. Past that, they're not PCISIG-certified (Peripheral Component Interconnect Special Interest Group, the guys behind PCI, PCIe, I think AGP, and PCI-X).

I wonder why PCISIG hasn't updated the specification. I was figuring it might be an ATX spec limitation which could be bypassed by using more than 1 PSU.
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Guys, i have yet to see a FuryX running at VRAM limitation at 4K at whatever game title/game settings are given. So using it as argument that 4GB HBM are not enough is stupid.
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Well I don't think it's impossible...

Other than cost, what's to stop a GPU manufacturer from shipping a GPU with it's own power brick?




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Wait, what? What GPU is that and why is that a thing?
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