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post #81 of 100
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Originally Posted by Kinaesthetic View Post

Huawei could've designed that phone to where the screen wasn't basically the entire phone's structure. But they cheaped out. That should be the takeaway.
GG4 is rated up to a 6 hardness. Scratching with 7, 8 and 9 hardness tips, and as deep as he did, causes huge problems with the class. Would happen to any phone with GG4. Look at his iPhone test. He scratches the screen with a razor blade and some car keys. That's it.

I can tell you, as someone how owns the phone and is currently typing on it, I have tried bending it myself and have not even had the screen pop out a millimeter. If the screen is an integral part of the phone structure, then take it as that. Why spend over $500 on a phone, then treat it like crap and drop it? The arguement that "something that expensive shouldn't crack if I drop it" isn't a valid arguement. If you are someone prone to dropping very expensive, fragile items, then get some very hard case for your phone. Don't blame a cracking screen on their lack of carefulness.
post #82 of 100
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GG4 is rated up to a 6 hardness. Scratching with 7, 8 and 9 hardness tips, and as deep as he did, causes huge problems with the class. Would happen to any phone with GG4. Look at his iPhone test. He scratches the screen with a razor blade and some car keys. That's it.

I can tell you, as someone how owns the phone and is currently typing on it, I have tried bending it myself and have not even had the screen pop out a millimeter. If the screen is an integral part of the phone structure, then take it as that. Why spend over $500 on a phone, then treat it like crap and drop it? The arguement that "something that expensive shouldn't crack if I drop it" isn't a valid arguement. If you are someone prone to dropping very expensive, fragile items, then get some very hard case for your phone. Don't blame a cracking screen on their lack of carefulness.

 

I'm not prone to dropping my phone. I've only dropped it once in the 2 years I've had my HTC M7. And it had one of those rubber cases around it and didn't take a single dent. And while I do agree with you that people shouldn't treat it like crap and drop it, that is kinda a futile effort. I'm sitting in a lecture room at this exact second, and from where I'm sitting, I can see 8 people who have cracked screens on their smartphones in a room that fits about 50ish people. So it WILL happen. People aren't perfect. And as an engineer, you design around as many possibilities as you can. And a cracked screen is a pretty easy thing to design around. Just don't make the screen effectively the entire structure.

 

So by not designing your device around that decently common scenario, that is bad design. And I'm sure the 6P isn't the only one with that bad of design. But that doesn't absolve it from being a badly designed phone from a structural standpoint.

 

Is the 6P a good phone when not compromised? Yeah, you and others have shown it is solid as can be. But the second the screen is remotely compromised (and lets face it, even on his video, he doesn't even compromise the integrity of the screen nearly as bad as some of these phones I'm looking at with cracked screens), you have a snapped phone. And for a metal body phone like this, it snapped worse than most plastic phones.

 

TL;DR: Everyone testing this device is correct. They are just testing different aspects of the phone.

post #83 of 100
I find these reviews very helpful. Build quality is extremely important to me when I buy electronics. The materials used in this phone are prohibitively bad. I would much rather pay extra and get a phone with less features, if I am confident that is it made of sturdy materials and has good structural design.
post #84 of 100

Well, just to refute all of the trash he has been receiving, he did a second test on the 6P. Including showing the unboxing of said retail device, set-up (without time-lapsing or skipping anything), and breaking the darn device in two with his own two hands. AND he didn't do a thing to compromise the structural integrity of the device. Just straight up bent the thing with bare hands into a 90 degree angle.

 

@denman either you all are weak as can be, or he is incredibly strong. But his video DOES show that this thing has a structural problem. And a worse one than even the whole iPhone bendgate.

 

 

The cracking is the sound of all those Huawei defenders sobbing.

 

 

He even goes in depth why it is so structurally unsound. They literally use miniscule plastic dovetail joints to join the free floating aluminium backing to the rest of the phone's structure, which is just plastic/pcb/screen's glass.


Edited by Kinaesthetic - 11/3/15 at 2:57pm
post #85 of 100
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 either you all are weak as can be, or he is incredibly strong. But his video DOES show that this thing has a structural problem. And a worse one than even the whole iPhone bendgate.

Or there might be batches of 6P's that are stronger than others, one of the other videos showed a guy put a significant amount of force on the device and from the look of his hands he wasn't exactly a weak guy.
post #86 of 100
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I think the real thing to take away from the video is how easily the glass cracked after being scratched. The bending issue is obviously from the broken glass and to be expected since the glass has to be a structural piece in phones like this. Either the glass in his phone was not up to par or GG4 has a cracking issue once scratched. I am more concerned about GG4 than the Nexus 6p since GG4 will be on most of the higher end phones coming out. Maybe the engineering behind making it withstand drops so well leaves it vulnerable to cracking once it is scratched up pretty good.

This is because of how tempered glass works.

Tempered glass is cooled rapidly from the outside, causing the outside to freeze while the center is still molten. This then forms a hard shell, and the molten center then freezes and shrinks, pulling on the outside shell. This stores a tremendous amount of energy in tension.

This tension is what allows the glass to bend and flex, and be impact resistant. From one direction only - the flat part. Apply a shock to the side, and you will create a crack. That crack then propagates, releasing all the built up stored energy. The result is tons of tiny pieces of glass.

In this case, once the scratches were present, they disrupted the stability of the glass, and made it much more susceptible to fracture.
post #87 of 100
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This is because of how tempered glass works.

Tempered glass is cooled rapidly from the outside, causing the outside to freeze while the center is still molten. This then forms a hard shell, and the molten center then freezes and shrinks, pulling on the outside shell. This stores a tremendous amount of energy in tension.

This tension is what allows the glass to bend and flex, and be impact resistant. From one direction only - the flat part. Apply a shock to the side, and you will create a crack. That crack then propagates, releasing all the built up stored energy. The result is tons of tiny pieces of glass.

In this case, once the scratches were present, they disrupted the stability of the glass, and made it much more susceptible to fracture.

 

Watch the new video where he unboxes a brand new consumer device, and snaps that thing in two like a twig with his bare hands. And he isn't strong by any means. Goes to show that the structure of the device is arguably weaker than thought before.

 

 

All of this sucks because I was going to replace my One M7 with the 6P since my 2-year contract expired with my carrier about a month ago. Looks like I'm gonna still be looking. Hopefully the Z5P doesn't suck.

post #88 of 100
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@denman
 either you all are weak as can be, or he is incredibly strong. But his video DOES show that this thing has a structural problem. And a worse one than even the whole iPhone bendgate.
I, along with many others (go ahead and check youtube, I won't bother) have already tried bending our phones and couldn't do it. I must be weak as can be (damn you 8% body fat and 4 days at the gym for the last ten years!!).
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The cracking is the sound of all those Huawei defenders sobbing.
I've already said it multiple times in this thread and a couple others, if you're dropping your $500+ phone and shattering it, or applying more force that I can apply with my bare hands, then you clearly aren't responsible enough to own a $500+ piece of technology.

I'll just sit over here in the corner, typing on this amazingly vibrant display and sob at the sweet, sweet phone I hold in my hands. sad-smiley-002.gif
post #89 of 100
Not sure what to think. Saw a few videos of other people trying to bend the crap out of their phones and nothing happens. Looked at Jerry's bend videos and it looked really easy.

What need to happen is somebody needs to send me a nexus 6P and I will bend it. Promise tongue.gif.
post #90 of 100
I really dont know what to think. On the one hand this guy did it twice without too much force, yet others have tried bending in the exact same place with what looks to be the same or more force and cant get it to even slightly bend. Just weird.
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