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HI people have a problem with my vga or my pc , my specs are :
I5 2320 +CM TX3 /ASRock H61M-DGS /SuperTalent 4GB DDR3 + Kingston Hyper-X 4GB DDR3 /XFX R7970 B.E 3GB /Thermaltake Smart 530W /WD Blue 500GB /Samsung P2350N / WIN 7X64

Batman AK problem :
https://youtu.be/LoSl2R3osig

witcher 3 problem :
https://youtu.be/ORDi-212hJc


Have a lot of stuttering in a lot of games (games like mgs5 , madmax5 , dark souls 2 for example runs ok) but batman ak and witcher 3 for example runs really bad after a few seconds to load a part of a map the game runs better but when you enter to a new zone , fps drops and stuttering again , other game i remeber runs bad is the last wolfenstein(in my old 270 the game runs better ) the vga is broken ? the psu is not enoght for the 7970 ? the hd of 16mb of cache and sata 2 is the problem? i am lost with this , i am try to buy a ssd but i not not sure of the hd is the problem .
sorry my bad english .
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SuperTalent 4GB DDR3 + Kingston Hyper-X 4GB DDR3

First, don't mix RAM, it's a bad idea. It probably isn't the source of your problems, but it will lead to problems.

Next, Batman and Witcher 3 are very graphic intensive. Enough to make your old 7970 stutter. Have you tried dropping the settings to see if your frames smooth out?

Finally, how are temperatures? Have you checked to make sure heat buildup isn't the problem?
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First, don't mix RAM, it's a bad idea. It probably isn't the source of your problems, but it will lead to problems.

Next, Batman and Witcher 3 are very graphic intensive. Enough to make your old 7970 stutter. Have you tried dropping the settings to see if your frames smooth out?

Finally, how are temperatures? Have you checked to make sure heat buildup isn't the problem?

The settings are in batman All low , 1080p , no aa , no vsync , trilineal , no nvidia stuff , but in lower resolution is the same problem of charge , in witcher 3 have shadow , water , and distance on medium , texture , detali , and terrain high , an people in low , 1080p fullscreen no fps limit , no vsync , no nvidia stuff .

Temps are low in general cpu 60° and gpu 72-74 when playing a game , i try use only 1 ram and have the same problem .
Edited by niczerus - 10/30/15 at 7:27am
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Check the vrm temperature with gpuz/msi ab

It might require using a new thermalpad and maybe some better cooling with this model
  
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Check the vrm temperature with gpuz/msi ab

It might require using a new thermalpad and maybe some better cooling with this model

sorry but with gpu-z , hwinfo and msi ab i dont see vrm temperature
Edited by niczerus - 10/31/15 at 6:33am
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1st i have to agree with wizardonthejob in saying that mixing ram is a very bad idea when you are trying to build a high performance gaming rig. however i disagree with him on the power of the 7970. 7970 is NOT a weak card and would not have any problems rendering 1080P resolution graphics of any current generation games. if you go up to 1600p resolution or higher, then maybe, but not 1080p.

with that said, i don't think this is a video issue. i think it's more of a RAM / storage bandwidth issue. if you take a look at both of the vids you linked, your stuttering occurs only when the game is initially loading a "new area". to cut down on system resource, the game is designed to only load the textures of "immediately visible area" so lets say a bubble of 30 meters around your character. beyond that it only loads very low resolution simple textures. however as you move around it has to dynamically load in the high resolution textures of "new area" surrounding your toon. this problem is amplified the faster you move. so in the batman vid, when you swing around the city like spiderman, it's constantly loading new textures which may have exceeded your storage device's bandwidth.

to fix this. try lowering the texture quality in your game to see it improves the gameplay. getting an SSD for your games will likely help in this situation. but generally speaking, this only happens when you move quickly from area to area and doesn't happen when the texture of an area has already been loaded. having matching RAM may also minimize the problem since it can be a compatibility issue creeping up between the 2 RAM types and they may not be operating at optimal speeds.

other possibility is the game engine itself is poorly written to cope with the condition's (fast moving from area to area) but that's generally a problem with older engines so i don't think that's an issue here. unfortunately, this is more of a suck it up and deal with it type problem. biggrin.gif any kind of fix is going to cost you $. SSD wiil help. matching RAM might help. a new system will definitely help (PCIe3 instead of PCIe2, NVMe SSD instead of SATA SSD, etc...) but that's big $ for a brand new system. in the mean time i would definitely recommend an SSD for your game drive which might help the situation alittle. turning down your textures should definately help the situation also.
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1st i have to agree with wizardonthejob in saying that mixing ram is a very bad idea when you are trying to build a high performance gaming rig. however i disagree with him on the power of the 7970. 7970 is NOT a weak card and would not have any problems rendering 1080P resolution graphics of any current generation games. if you go up to 1600p resolution or higher, then maybe, but not 1080p.

with that said, i don't think this is a video issue. i think it's more of a RAM / storage bandwidth issue. if you take a look at both of the vids you linked, your stuttering occurs only when the game is initially loading a "new area". to cut down on system resource, the game is designed to only load the textures of "immediately visible area" so lets say a bubble of 30 meters around your character. beyond that it only loads very low resolution simple textures. however as you move around it has to dynamically load in the high resolution textures of "new area" surrounding your toon. this problem is amplified the faster you move. so in the batman vid, when you swing around the city like spiderman, it's constantly loading new textures which may have exceeded your storage device's bandwidth.

to fix this. try lowering the texture quality in your game to see it improves the gameplay. getting an SSD for your games will likely help in this situation. but generally speaking, this only happens when you move quickly from area to area and doesn't happen when the texture of an area has already been loaded. having matching RAM may also minimize the problem since it can be a compatibility issue creeping up between the 2 RAM types and they may not be operating at optimal speeds.

other possibility is the game engine itself is poorly written to cope with the condition's (fast moving from area to area) but that's generally a problem with older engines so i don't think that's an issue here. unfortunately, this is more of a suck it up and deal with it type problem. biggrin.gif any kind of fix is going to cost you $. SSD wiil help. matching RAM might help. a new system will definitely help (PCIe3 instead of PCIe2, NVMe SSD instead of SATA SSD, etc...) but that's big $ for a brand new system. in the mean time i would definitely recommend an SSD for your game drive which might help the situation alittle. turning down your textures should definately help the situation also.

Thanks for answer , the problem is where i live (Argentine , the hardware price is a madness for example a ssd of 120gb cost u$s100-120 x 16 of our local money is expensive ) the same of other parts .
i found this , maybe is for this ? http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1833643
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1833643 , the strange is not always runs so bad , sometimes when a load a savefile , load really good and works ok the first minutes (1/10 times)
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Check the vrm temperature with gpuz/msi ab

It might require using
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sorry but with gpu-z , hwinfo and msi ab i dont see vrm temperature
in the sensor tab there should be one sensor
  
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Check the vrm temperature with gpuz/msi ab

It might require using
in the sensor tab there should be one sensor
No this model no have vram sensor (FX-797A-TDJV ) , only show gpu temp
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I don't think your current hardware is the problem here, your setup is fine and shouldn't need an SSD to run games smoothly.

Batman Arkham Knight is a notoriously poorly optimized PC port, it is plagued with performance problems on many PCs.

Witcher 3 should run fine on your setup, I'm not sure why you're having stuttering problems.

I've mixed memory sticks before, it's not the greatest thing to do, but providing they're running at the same speeds and latency you shouldn't have any serious problems, I ran a 2GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair stick with a 4GB DDR3 1333MHz Corsair stick of different models for over 3 years and I didn't have any problems.

However your stuttering problems point towards it being something to do with the storage or your memory.

As PontiacGTX said see if you can find the vrm temperature, HWINFO should show it, if not try HWMonitor.

HWMonitor
HWInfo

EDIT: Oh I just read that your 7970 model doesn't have a VRAM sensor.

Another thing you could try is to perhaps defragment your hard-drive, or if you have The Witcher 3 on Steam try and verify it's integrity.

So you have no stuttering problems in MGS5, Mad Max and Dark Souls 2, and just have stuttering problems in Batman Arkham Knight and the Witcher 3? It's pretty weird that it's occurring in only two games, well with the exception of Batman Arkham Knight.
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