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These results are from 2 different test suites (no PCars and DA:I, but they added Metal Gear V and Mad Max in the newer one). The real comparision would be to perform the benchmarks with the same games.
Also this Ti boosts to the ~1400 MHz region and it's around 19% faster even at 4K, I think it's safe to say that any 980 Ti similar/equal to the Fury X price can accomplish that with a manual overclock, and some of them will be faster even without that out of the box...
Edited by Szaby59 - 11/1/15 at 7:11am
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These results are from 2 different test suites (no PCars, but they added Metal Gear V in the newer one). The real comparision would be to perform the benchmarks with the same games.
Also this Ti boosts to the ~1400 MHz region and it's around 17% faster even at 4K, I think it's safe to say that any 980 Ti in Fury price range can accomplish that with a manual overclock, and some of them will be faster even without that out of the box...
Still highly relevant since these are the newest games and TPU cant obviously not test 30+ games to cover everything.

But I agree, not a perfect comparison since the all the games are not the same. 980Ti overclock better for sure, but not everyone overclock plus some prefer less noise which you get from the water cooled Fury X.

WoD was one of the games that screwed up the previous game suits in Nvidias favour. But the newest driver from AMD have reduced the advantage from +35% to +16%.
Project Cars was also one where Nvidia had a huge 50% advantage, but then again it only accounted for a total of 2% in average. But in the OP you can see the total percentage in the summary without the game included anyway
Edited by iLeakStuff - 11/1/15 at 8:00am
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Games removed:-
Alien Isolation
Batman Origins
Bioshock Infinite
Dead Rising 3
Dragon Age
Metro LL
Project Cars
Tomb Raider
Wolfenstein: The New Order

Games Added:-
Mad Max
MGS V
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But I agree, not a perfect comparison since the all the games are not the same. 980Ti overclock better for sure, but not everyone overclock plus some prefer less noise which you get from the water cooled Fury X.

Nobody will buy a ref. 980 Ti anymore (except for AIO water cooling config ofc.) now when custom's are much better and available, no need to overclock a Palit 980 Ti for example is 15% faster out of the box according to the TPU 4K summary.
As for the noise: the pump and coil noise can still occur on these cards and again I'm refering to the Palit card which has 1dB lower Load noise and 0 db idle noise thanks to the disabled fan.
The Fury X is a good card but for this price 980 TI variants are just better.
Edited by Szaby59 - 11/1/15 at 8:17am
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Glad to see.
I am sure as time goes on AMD cards will pull just a bit ahead of nvidia cards, just like 290/290x vs 780/780Ti.
When I first got my 780's they were king. By the time I sold them they were getting hammered by AMD cards that used to be behind.

I went with nvidia again with these 980ti's because when Fury/x was released it was kind of underwhelming to ME.
I think Arctic Islands is going to be really good. thumb.gif

I do second the frametimes though.
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Nobody will buy a ref. 980 Ti anymore (except for AIO water cooling config ofc.) now when custom's are much better and available, no need to overclock a Palit 980 Ti for example is 15% faster out of the box according to the TPU 4K summary.
As for the noise: the pump and coil noise can still occur on these GPU's and again I'm refering to the Palit card which has 1dB lower Load noise and 0 db idle noise thank to the disabled fan.
The Fury X is a good card but for this price 980 TI variants are just better.

Lets not pretend that Fury X doesnt overclock either. Its not an overclockers dream like AMD said but it can still gain around 10% extra performance .

Which means an OC Fury X is 10% below 1400MHz GTX 980Ti at 1440p or 8% below at 4K. Earlier it was 20% below at 1440p and 15% below at 4K so they have gained ground.
Im not sure about price today but the AIB 980Tis with proper fan without sounding like a jet engine at 1400MHz cost $660 and upwards. Which means you get a Fury X for about 10% less, around the same as the performance difference.

Id say they are very close to each other depending on which metric you look at with 980Ti.
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You forgot to link this one

perfrel_1920_1080.png

By their numbers in that review, OC'd gm200 (lightning, even a g1) is ~44% faster than a stock Fury X @1080p*. I just don't see 44% overclocks on Fury's.

*OC = 1518/8360, 117% of baseline (which is out-of-the-box lightning). Close OC's are fairly easily achievable, 1480/7600 with a decent card at a fraction of the price and they list OC's on that same review, it's not about paying for it. It's not difficult to get ~35-40% more performance than listed for reference Fury X there @1080p when using a 980ti - but can you do it with a Fury X? Can you get even close?

I bring this up because the thread title is very aggressive
Quote:
Fury X is now just as fast as GTX 980Ti in 1080p
and i think wrong.


Nor would i even consider using 4GB of VRAM for 4k; next year we'll have 6 and 8GB on the more midrange options and 16GB flagships.

Fury X is also only reference cooler which has significant issues and the worst whining of any GPU i've seen in a long time - i don't know who the target audience of this card is. I have strong negative feelings about pretty much every high end GPU that's reference PCB+Cooler only, it's usually a significant annoyance and/or handicap. In Nvidia's case, it often makes the cut-down-but-unlocked version actually better for 24/7 usage, however AMD has cut the Fury more than Nvidia cut the 980ti and Fiji seems a bit weaker especially at low resolutions; The non-x Fury doesn't fight well with the 980ti at 1080p, yet that's the cost of a non-reference design.
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The rumors of the Fury X/non-X's demise were highly exaggerated to begin with.
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You forgot to link this one Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
perfrel_1920_1080.png

By their numbers in that review, OC'd gm200 (lightning, even a g1) is ~44% faster than a stock Fury X @1080p*. I just don't see 44% overclocks on Fury's.

*OC = 1518/8360, 117% of baseline (which is out-of-the-box lightning). Close OC's are fairly easily achievable, 1480/7600 with a decent card at a fraction of the price and they list OC's on that same review, it's not about paying for it. It's not difficult to get ~35-40% more performance than listed for reference Fury X there @1080p when using a 980ti - but can you do it with a Fury X? Can you get even close?

I bring this up because the thread title is very aggressive
and i think wrong.


Nor would i even consider using 4GB of VRAM for 4k; next year we'll have 6 and 8GB on the more midrange options and 16GB flagships.

Fury X is also only reference cooler which has significant issues and the worst whining of any GPU i've seen in a long time - i don't know who the target audience of this card is. I have strong negative feelings about pretty much every high end GPU that's reference PCB+Cooler only, it's usually a significant annoyance and/or handicap. In Nvidia's case, it often makes the cut-down-but-unlocked version actually better for 24/7 usage, however AMD has cut the Fury more than Nvidia cut the 980ti and Fiji seems a bit weaker especially at low resolutions; The non-x Fury doesn't fight well with the 980ti at 1080p, yet that's the cost of a non-reference design.

Am I missing something here? Your chart says the Lightning 980TI is 23% faster than the Fury X. Lightning performance normalized for Fury X performance, 100/0.81 = 123.45. Where is 44% coming from?
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You forgot to link this one

perfrel_1920_1080.png

By their numbers in that review, OC'd gm200 (lightning, even a g1) is ~44% faster than a stock Fury X @1080p*. I just don't see 44% overclocks on Fury's.

*OC = 1518/8360, 117% of baseline (which is out-of-the-box lightning). Close OC's are fairly easily achievable, 1480/7600 with a decent card at a fraction of the price and they list OC's on that same review, it's not about paying for it. It's not difficult to get ~35-40% more performance than listed for reference Fury X there @1080p when using a 980ti - but can you do it with a Fury X? Can you get even close?

I bring this up because the thread title is very aggressive
and i think wrong.


Nor would i even consider using 4GB of VRAM for 4k; next year we'll have 6 and 8GB on the more midrange options and 16GB flagships.

Fury X is also only reference cooler which has significant issues and the worst whining of any GPU i've seen in a long time - i don't know who the target audience of this card is. I have strong negative feelings about pretty much every high end GPU that's reference PCB+Cooler only, it's usually a significant annoyance and/or handicap. In Nvidia's case, it often makes the cut-down-but-unlocked version actually better for 24/7 usage, however AMD has cut the Fury more than Nvidia cut the 980ti and Fiji seems a bit weaker especially at low resolutions; The non-x Fury doesn't fight well with the 980ti at 1080p, yet that's the cost of a non-reference design.

GTX 980Ti at 1400MHz (Lightning) is 23% faster than stock Fury X in 1080p. Not 44%.

And who use a Fury X or 980Ti at 1080p? O_o

Fury X HAD issues with the pump resulting in whine but that have been fixed and resolved a looong time ago. Its a non existent issue now. The card is very quiet.
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