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Yes, it can do it.

But who, in all seriousness, will buy it for this purpose? It will not perform as well as it is advertised. It can be used as a band-aid solution on-the-fly, at most.
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I'm sure it can, if you pick the high version of it at 2000$+.
And I'm sure it can't if you pick the 1500$ one.

With all due respect, the surface book will not give you what they advertise at every tier of purchase.

With all due respect, you realize...the 256GB SSD's sequential writes in $2100 model is only about 35% faster than this hard drive released in 2015 (215MB/s sequential writes).

That...is absurd. It's an abysmally slow SSD by 2013 standards and an embarrassment to a PCIe NVMe drive released in 2015.

What planet did I move to? SSDs have been consistently hitting 500MB/s sequential read/writes for ages. And, now, this PCIe NVMe drive puts out 280MB/s sequential writes and everybody's got an excuse why that drive should go into a device that costs $2,100 and is marketed towards video editing.

But, please, everyone, move the goal posts some more. tongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif
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post #23 of 53
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Yes, it can do it.

But who, in all seriousness, will buy it for this purpose? It will not perform as well as it is advertised. It can be used as a band-aid solution on-the-fly, at most.

OK, I think we ALL get that.

The real issue is WHY did Microsoft put this terrible SSD, when there are many more faster options that have been on the market for years already? Why did they pick this terrible drive?
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wow
that looks stunningly bad

Thank you. Thank you. There is some sanity left in this thread...
Edited by ikjadoon - 11/2/15 at 6:02am
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As to the original subject of the thread;

I have no problem at all with the drive in it NOT being able to write nearly twice the CPU's IO speed. That would be a useless component to have. Instead MS has gone for a reliable and low-speed component that probably uses less power and DEFINITELY generates less heat.


It's a no-brainer why they went with the Samsung.


No.

TLC is less reliable than MLC (which is less reliable than SLC) and it uses more power than MLC.



This isn't a SATA 3 SSD either, it's an NVMe SSD, these speeds are pathetic for a laptop whose price starts at $1500.

The 128 GB version has around the write speed of a 2011 Intel 320 Series 120 GB SSD, which is SATA 2 based.

No, this is definitely not alright.


I find it amazing how some consumers are willing to defend companies for using crappy components. Would you guys seriously buy this at the price they are asking and accept it as it is?
 
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With all due respect, you realize...the 256GB SSD's sequential writes in $2100 model is only about 35% faster than this hard drive released in 2015 (215MB/s sequential writes).

That...is absurd. It's an abysmally slow SSD by 2013 standards and an embarrassment to a PCIe NVMe drive released in 2015.

What planet did I move to? SSDs have been consistently hitting 500MB/s sequential read/writes for ages. And, now, this PCIe NVMe drive puts out 280MB/s sequential writes and everybody's got an excuse why that drive should go into a device that costs $2,100 and is marketed towards video editing.

But, please, everyone, move the goal posts some more. tongue.giftongue.giftongue.gif

SSD alone will not make or break the laptop. Even though they might be slow, there are slower HDD based desktops who can handle this kind of work. Especially if you have enough memory for fluid work.

Regardless, I was a bit sarcastic. The surface book is not an autocad / premier pro full editing laptop no matter what microsoft PR says, unless you buy the very top end specs with i7 and high memory, and still you will get less than half the performance of a decent desktop at the same price.
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Yes, it can do it.

But who, in all seriousness, will buy it for this purpose? It will not perform as well as it is advertised. It can be used as a band-aid solution on-the-fly, at most.

OK, I think we ALL get that.

The real issue is WHY did Microsoft put this terrible SSD, when there are many more faster options that have been on the market for years already? Why did they pick this terrible drive?
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wow
that looks stunningly bad

Thank you. Thank you. There is some sanity left in this thread...

I understand where you are coming from, and I believe there is absolutely nobody on OCN who will seriously defend the choice of SSD, hence my posts regarding your suggested use of it.
Again, I am in no way defending Microsoft's choice - it is unbelievable. The price bracket alone should dictate high-end hardware.

However, the thread was leaning a bit too far into fiction, so I figured a little correction was needed.
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How much you wanna bet the Memory is on the motherboard??? Other models like my Surface Pro 2 use MLC and it can be removed and you can add your own SSD.

I'm guessing they did this to stop people from opening the surface and removing the SSD... hrmm.
    
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And now...the iPhone 6s has faster sequential writes than the 128GB SSD.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/7
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No.

TLC is less reliable than MLC (which is less reliable than SLC) and it uses more power than MLC.



This isn't a SATA 3 SSD either, it's an NVMe SSD, these speeds are pathetic for a laptop whose price starts at $1500.

The 128 GB version has around the write speed of a 2011 Intel 320 Series 120 GB SSD, which is SATA 2 based.

No, this is definitely not alright.


I find it amazing how some consumers are willing to defend companies for using crappy components. Would you guys seriously buy this at the price they are asking and accept it as it is?

Exactly. There is no "saving grace" here. They picked the worst 128GB SSD available...worse than a spinning hard disk...worse than the iPhone 6S's NAND...and they want $1500. Not even SATA 3...bro, IDE (133MB/s) would only be a minor bottleneck to this drive's sequential write speeds.

I mean, I don't understand what happened. It's as if they sneaked DDR2 into the Surface Pro 4.

Yes...why does Microsoft, a multi-billion dollar company that claims it is the "ultimate laptop" and then charges an "ultimate laptop" premium deserve our support? And, through all this, Microsoft has the galls to charge nearly $2.50/GB for the 256GB -> 512GB upgrade. So that your SSD can finally reach SATA 6Gbps sequential write speeds, lachen.gif
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I understand where you are coming from, and I believe there is absolutely nobody on OCN who will seriously defend the choice of SSD, hence my posts regarding your suggested use of it.
Again, I am in no way defending Microsoft's choice - it is unbelievable. The price bracket alone should dictate high-end hardware.

However, the thread was leaning a bit too far into fiction, so I figured a little correction was needed.

OK, sure. I'll take that.

And, you know, I haven't even STARTED about the whole bait-and-switch. Some review sites were given a much faster Toshiba SSD, that has writes of around 600MB/s. See Engadget's review.

But, retail units all have the craptastic Samsung SSDs.

mad.gif

How is this BS acceptable anymore? Does everyone just drink the Kool-Aid nowadays?

If Anandtech doesn't address this bait-and-switch, as well as the across-the-board abysmal write performance and the embarrassment to technology that this 128GB SSD is, I will have lost a lot of faith in technology reviews.
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horrible price

you can get an i7 zenbook with 12gigs ram and 512ssd for half the price. and also have a gt 940
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