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I know how you feel. Working in the medical field, it breaks my immersion hard whenever I see someone on TV or in a Movie use an instrument wrong... like on some show, a guy was breaking in to steal a kidney. He pulls out a sponge stick. And his medical kit consisted of two adson forceps, an allison forcep, and a sponge stick. How are you going to remove a kidney using only forceps? HOW :rolleyes
As a child of an RN, I feel your pain.

I don't want to change anybody's mind regarding the game. If they want to play it they should. I am just confused, and quite frankly amazed, that the same people who demand their opinions be permitted without attack would choose to attack me for having an opinion that they don't like.

Just because "you" think the game looks good and I don't doesn't give you carte blanche to invalidate or attack my opinion. I feel many oc.net posters need to start giving the respect to others they demand for themselves.
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Fallout is post apocalyptic fantasy rather than actual science fiction, quite a bit more Star Wars or Mad Max than Star Trek. It is by an extraordinarily loose but common definition of science fiction science fiction, yes. By that same definition, horror shows like The Walking Dead are science fiction. Once your definition is that fast and loose, you lose the distinction the term is trying to make.

I know quite a few game developers, specifically over at ArenaNet and Riot. Game developers these days are incredibly lazy, lacking the work ethic and dedication to the craft seen as far back as the old Commander Keen/Wolfenstein days. The point isn't what they know, but rather what they choose to apply and not apply in their daily work. All the book knowledge in the world won't make a good game. It takes someone who wants to produce quality code, and at this point most game developers simply want to make money.

This whole silliness is regarding over the top design choices like lasers that don't fire straight and make shotgun noises while fired, which have a detrimental impact on immersion for those who are familiar with lasers and physics. Accuracy is a red herring.

Actually, the main thing that bothers me about your 'opinion', is your presentation. You come across extremely condescending, and that always rubs me the wrong way.

You talk about semantics then go extremely nit-picky in semantics on the technical definition of science fiction... It's an alternate timeline that features highly advanced technology. It's fiction. Using a straight line, no nonsense, literal definition... this is science fiction. And yes, depending on your outlook, The Walking Dead could be science fiction as well since it involved a scientific anomaly (even if biological) and it's fiction. Like you said, common definition. Definitions of terminology change over time to meet their actual usage... hence again what I said about being condescending. It's like you're trying extra hard to say you're right, whereas most of my comments defer to the various 'possibilities' involved in the suspension of disbelief expected of a video game.

Again, if you don't like their presentation, change it to meet your guidelines. And to that, I again defer to your previous comment calling the developers 'lazy' and saying they 'cut corners'.... i mean really.

edit: and as also the child of an RN, and grandson of a scientist who actually worked WITH Oppenheimer on the Manhattan Project.. I still don't care about these things since its all a game that I'll change to meet my needs should I so choose. 1st world problems...
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Bethesda has such a die hard support in the modding community thay know that graphically all they have to give us is this

Modders will take what they release and turn it into....

Hopefully, knowing the modding community would do all the extra graphics work they spent the saved time on storyline.
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Looks great. Though I'm fine with how it looks, given the requirements, the draw distance *better* be damn unlimited or they better be meant for 4k. If the graphics look identical to consoles for the requirements they gave us, it's an un-optimized mess.
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Actually, the main thing that bothers me about your 'opinion', is your presentation. You come across extremely condescending, and that always rubs me the wrong way.

You talk about semantics then go extremely nit-picky in semantics on the technical definition of science fiction... It's an alternate timeline that features highly advanced technology. It's fiction. Using a straight line, no nonsense, literal definition... this is science fiction. And yes, depending on your outlook, The Walking Dead could be science fiction as well since it involved a scientific anomaly (even if biological) and it's fiction. Like you said, common definition. Definitions of terminology change over time to meet their actual usage... hence again what I said about being condescending. It's like you're trying extra hard to say you're right, whereas most of my comments defer to the various 'possibilities' involved in the suspension of disbelief expected of a video game.

Again, if you don't like their presentation, change it to meet your guidelines. And to that, I again defer to your previous comment calling the developers 'lazy' and saying they 'cut corners'.... i mean really.

edit: and as also the child of an RN, and grandson of a scientist who actually worked WITH Oppenheimer on the Manhattan Project.. I still don't care about these things since its all a game that I'll change to meet my needs should I so choose. 1st world problems...
I would prefer to be thought of for my opinion as opposed to my delivery. As I cannot control how others react to my words, I do find it inappropriate to be held to third or even second party subjectivity.

I do not believe the definition of science fiction is a semantic argument. The distinction between fantasy and science fiction in this vein dates back at least as far as Star Wars itself, making it a fundamental part of fiction's lifetime for most present. The presence of technology in and of itself does not make a work science fiction, as again Star Wars proves. The common definition would lump space opera and steam punk (as two examples) in with science fiction, a tenet that the advocates of those two forms of fiction aggressively deny and downright fight. I would suggest to you that the opinions of learned professionals in their genres should trump that of the common individual. We do not go to a potter for dental work, after all. While English is not a prescriptive language and therefore usage dependent, it should be noted that it is in the minority linguistically. The vast majority of languages spoken on Earth right now have regulatory bodies that determine the definition of a word, not the public. In France, you can be fined for using a word outside its approved definitions.

You may refer to my comments calling game developers lazy. I stand by those words. I have said them directly to game developers, some of whom have agreed with me.

Do you have something to say regarding my opinion on Fallout 4 now?
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Ultra quality screenshots courtesy of a poster on NeoGAF. More at the link.

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Those shots look great. Though, not good enough to justify the provided system requirements. Unless like I said the requirements are for 4k, or heavily inflated.
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Can't stop staring at the guy's hair in the first Neogaf screenshot, lol.

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I'm desperately hoping the story line is a vast improvement from FO3...because as it looks, even with those ultra screenshots...the graphics are not...the lighting looks to be a bit better...but damn those models and textures (mostly the textures) are fugly...I also hope they have worked alot more on animations, because they are probably the worst thing about all Bethesda games, and seems robotic and lifeless at the best of times.

I really get tired of hearing apologists claim so long as composition 'A' is up to standard, then who cares about composition B, C, D etc...these guys are working with some ridiculous budgets and time frames...I know there is a lot of work that goes into games of this scale and magnitude, but you would think a dev of this caliber would have a huge team to put out quality content...look at CDPR for instance, they are tiny in comparison and managed a level of depth within just about all facets of their game that outshines just about everything released in the last decade or more...Why can't Bethesda, who are now on their 5th 'AAA' major title, deliver on more than one facet of a game?...it shouldn't be left up to the modding community to polish a turd in all honesty (Though it is very much welcome that they spend their time doing so, Bethesda should be hiring those guys..).
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Same ole jank. Beth's textures... God help us.

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