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Internet firms to be banned from offering unbreakable encryption under new laws
Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked ton under the Investigatory Powers Bill
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Internet and social media companies will be banned from putting customer communications beyond their own reach under new laws to be unveiled on Wednesday.
Companies such as Apple, Google and others will no longer be able to offer encryption so advanced that even they cannot decipher it when asked to, the Daily Telegraph can disclose.
Measures in the Investigatory Powers Bill will place in law a requirement on tech firms and service providers to be able to provide unencrypted communications to the police or spy agencies if requested through a warrant.

The move follows concerns that a growing number of encryption services are now completely inaccessible apart from to the users themselves.
It came as David Cameron, the Prime Minister, pleaded with the public and MPs to back his raft of new surveillance measures.
He said terrorists, paedophiles and criminals must not be allowed a “safe space” online.
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Ministers have no plans to ban encryption services because they have an important role in the protection of legitimate online activity such as banking and personal data.
But there is concern over some aspects of so-called end-to-end encryption where only the sender and recipient of messages can decipher them.
Terrorists and criminals are increasingly using such technology to communicate beyond the reach of MI5 or the police.
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On its website, Apple promotes the fact that it has, for example, “no way to decrypt iMessage and FaceTime data when it’s in transit between devices”.
It adds: “So unlike other companies’ messaging services, Apple doesn’t scan your communications, and we wouldn’t be able to comply with a wiretap order even if we wanted to.”
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A Home Office spokesman said: “The Government is clear we need to find a way to work with industry as technology develops to ensure that, with clear oversight and a robust legal framework, the police and intelligence agencies can access the content of communications of terrorists and criminals in order to resolve police investigations and prevent criminal acts.
“That means ensuring that companies themselves can access the content of communications on their networks when presented with a warrant, as many of them already do for their own business purposes, for example to target advertising. These companies’ reputations rest on their ability to protect their users’ data.”
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The bill is expected to face a tough route through parliament but Mr Cameron urged critics to back the measures.
He told ITV’s This Morning: “As Prime Minister I would just say to people 'please, let's not have a situation where we give terrorists, criminals, child abductors, safe spaces to communicate'.
"It's not a safe space for them to communicate on a fixed line telephone or a mobile phone, we shouldn't allow the internet to be a safe space for them to communicate and do bad things."
Lord Carlile, the former terrorism laws watchdog, said there had been a “lot of demonization” of the police and security services over their intentions for such information.
“I think it is absurd to suggest the police and the security services have a kind of casual desire to intrude on the privacy of the innocent,” he said.
“They have enough difficulty finding the guilty. No-one has produced any evidence of casual curiosity on part of the security services."

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The title is missing. But that's scary. So many freedoms taken away in the name of "security" or "safety."
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That will never get through parliament I would not have thought

If I were google I'd tell them to bugger off and mind their own business too
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The bill is expected to face a tough route through parliament but Mr Cameron urged critics to back the measures.
He told ITV’s This Morning: “As Prime Minister I would just say to people 'please, let's not have a situation where we give terrorists, criminals, child abductors, safe spaces to communicate'.

What a load of horse manure.

"we dont want these few to have a safe place, so NOBODY gets a safe place"

I am sick of my personal liberties disappearing in the name of "safety"
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If this goes through, it's going to be interesting to see how the confidence levels of businesses and individuals will be after this and how they will use technology from there on.

But the really interesting question is this: how will this work in practice? Will there be intentional flaws put in the system? Will it be weak enough such that reasonable computing power will be enough to bypass it? How easy will it be for foreign governments, competitors and hackers in general to get to it? What will this do to the confidence of people using the Internet?


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No-one has produced any evidence of casual curiosity on part of the security services."


Actually, that couldn't be further from the truth.

And in fact, you wouldn't even need evidence to know that it happens, just a reasonable understanding of human nature.
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The title is missing. But that's scary. So many freedoms taken away in the name of "security" or "safety."

Indeed ! Thank you for pointing this out smile.gif
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What a load of horse manure.

"we dont want these few to have a safe place, so NOBODY gets a safe place"

I am sick of my personal liberties disappearing in the name of "safety"

You and me both ... This is just bloody stupid .
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Quote:
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No-one has produced any evidence of casual curiosity on part of the security services."
Actually, that couldn't be further from the truth.
And in fact, you wouldn't even need evidence to know that it happens, just a reasonable understanding of human nature.

Indeed. In fact, there was a fairly recent story about certain NSA agents being fired for looking up details of prospective / past partners. I believe they nicknamed it "LOVEINT".

It may not be "official" casual curiosity, but it definitely happens on a personal level.
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This law itself is not bad its how it is used. You cannot honestly tell me that you don't want police to be able to see the communications or online data of someone they have good reason to suspect of something bad. Just like the NSA survielance programs, if the warrants are obtained to view the records I have no issues. If they are not then I have issues. However I'm not going to say get rid of the law becuase its been abused, it still protects people.
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