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Lol, anybody else see the irony? The double standard?

The excuse is it gives bad people a safe way to communicate.

But it also opens the door for other bad people (hackers, anybody???) to eavesdrop on your communications or steal personal data.

Close the door for a certain group of bad people, but open the door for another group of bad people. The funny thing is that the government is in the same category as the other bad people that want access to your communications and data.

My god though, this is lunacy. Government knows no bounds.
    
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War is Peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Orwell, describing the world in 1949 and he did it by looking at the UK. He knew the UK was a fascist state then already. The man was a seer.
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This needs to be added to the OP:

http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/uk-government-apparently-backs-down-on-snoopers-charter-gracious-or-mendacious/
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The Guardian also claims that other controversial options for the Investigatory Powers Bill, due to be published on Wednesday, have been shelved.

These include the suggestion that companies would be restricted or perhaps banned from using encryption, and the requirement that UK telecoms would have to capture and store Internet traffic originating from US companies in order to allow UK intelligence agencies to access them even if the companies refused to hand over the data.

However, as many experts have pointed out, neither idea was feasible: online business would become impossible without encryption, and end-to-end encryption means that storing traffic from US-based companies would be largely useless anyway.

These facts raise the possibility that the UK government's latest "climbdown" is actually nothing of the sort; rather, it would appear that the UK government has been feeding journalists exaggerated stories of what might be the Snooper's Charter, so that it could then appear to back down graciously in the face of the inevitable outrage those ideas generated.


Spin doctors at work. Let's see what the real plan is then.
 
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Internet just got circumcised.
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

Orwell, describing the world in 1949 and he did it by looking at the UK. He knew the UK was a fascist state then already. The man was a seer.

He is basically another Nostradamus, he actually predicted our current misery with worse yet to come. Welcome to our Nightmares devilsmiley.gif .
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

Making laws saying something *can't* be used doesn't make any sense, since a criminal is a criminal because he's breaking the law in the first place. Just because Google, Apple, and other big companies can't incorporate encryption, doesn't mean that others won't still be making a hardened encryption that any criminal can and will most likely use instead of basic encryption ( or lack there of now ) provided by your devices manufacturer.

And then you have to remember, if you open up encryption to law enforcement, you're adding a weakness that criminals can then utilize as well.

The only people this will affect, are the average people, not criminals.

Yeah, last I looked they don't play by the rules at all.

Anyway, considering what most of these internet firms handle like sensitive info, PII, etc., I would think they want the best encryption they can get their hands on. Data is a very valuable thing.
 
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This needs to be added to the OP:

http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2015/11/uk-government-apparently-backs-down-on-snoopers-charter-gracious-or-mendacious/
Spin doctors at work. Let's see what the real plan is then.

Nothing but the usual liars at work.
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
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Yet guns held by american hands will take each year more lives than chat and emails.
For 2013 was what? Some 85,000 wounded, out of which 11,200 died. That's more than the deaths (or direct injuries) that the US suffered in the Vietnam war @ average each year, way more than the total casualties in Iraq.

The vast majority (like 70%) of all those incidents are using handguns, and more than half of the deaths are actually suicides, not homicides.
Statistics imply more than 1% of the deaths in the US each year are due to a firearm. That's not a guesstimate.

Yes, "guns don't kill, people do", but you have to turn too big of a blind eye not to see that there is a big trouble there. Much bigger than most "terrorists" could even dream of unless they would plan on using nuclear or chemical devices in densely populated areas.

The organized lobbies and passionate citizens would lead to great political cost every time moves towards regulating gun ownership. Cause its 2nd amendment or nuttin.
Yet, with a single breath they undermine far more basic principles of human rights than the right to bare arms, and too many don't even blink...no "get my right to encryption out of my dead cold hands", no nothing...

We can contemplate on hundreds cases of criminal behavior that mass surveillance would truly benefit , but that inevitably will happen at the expense of millions - billions worldwide - individuals that will lose the most basic principles the US was founded to protect and champion.
It's absolutely a "guesstimate."

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm


Love how people pick and choose parts of the Constitution and Bill of Rights to like, depending on their world view. How bout that silly 1st, 4th and 5th??? Are they in play too? Why not. Its for the good of everyone right??
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uhh wouldn't this make things worst?
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