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Seems like the same kind of circumventions will just result, host the data somewhere else.
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BBM has a "Private Chat" feature which is a 1 to 1, encrypted, self destructing, no ID method of communicating.

The platform would cease to function if there were zero references to a remote party.
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Seems like the same kind of circumventions will just result, host the data somewhere else.
The platform would cease to function if there were zero references to a remote party.

It is a separate chat instance instigated directly from one party to another. Once they accept, the secure conversation is started with no reference to either parties name or ID. Once someone goes over 60 seconds without responding, or closes the conversation, it "self destructs" on both sides, no additional intervention needed.
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It is a separate chat instance instigated directly from one party to another. Once they accept, the secure conversation is started with no reference to either parties name or ID. Once someone goes over 60 seconds without responding, or closes the conversation, it "self destructs" on both sides, no additional intervention needed.

That doesn't say anything other than parroting back what you've already stated. Without a source and destination address, it would be impossible to communicate.
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Disappointing that such laws have made it this far, but at least they can't pass such laws secretly, and thus we all know that if we ever want anything to be private, we have to do the work ourselves.
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they hate our freedoms.

so we took them away.

-geedubyah.
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The title is missing. But that's scary. So many freedoms taken away in the name of "security" or "safety."

All of them. No worries. If you have nothing to hide why care if the police can watch you shower. As a German I remember hearing something familiar from my ancestors and some mess about opposing it on principle.
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That doesn't say anything other than parroting back what you've already stated. Without a source and destination address, it would be impossible to communicate.

...obviously. Even the most hardened irreversible encryption communication will have a source and destination. I'm sure nobody here needs to be told that you need two people to communicate (?).

Of course there is some form of internal "address" to route the information, but the separate chat instance does not advertise it, and being a 1:1 chat that information is not on any server or "cloud". Neither side specifically shows the others ID, reason being you cannot screenshot the conversation to show the participants. That is all I was saying, simple as that.

IE: Normal chat left, "private" chat right. One is saved unencrypted on the device, clearly lists both users, and can be saved or screenshotted. The other will delete itself after 60 seconds of inactivity, shows no easily identifiable personal information, has no valuable data to screenshot, and is a 1:1 conversation not hosted by any servers.



But again, I have been here long enough to know how people will always over complicate things for the sake of argument.
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That doesn't say anything other than parroting back what you've already stated. Without a source and destination address, it would be impossible to communicate.

Hmmm, maybe using IPSec? In tunnel mode IPSec encrypts the IP header along with the rest of the packet. Plus, if you really don't want peeps to know, may as well do IP and MAC spoofing.
 
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The real reason why Governments want this is to be able to access your devices. That's where the real information is. Encrypted communication means nothing if the device your communicating with can be infected and spy on you from the start or stop of communication.
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I would actually tell them what's what if they tried that. Regardless, NO NO AND NO. That is all.
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