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The government will protect us!

Yep, you can trust the government, just ask the aboriginals.

As for windows 10.

Here is what you do. Install windows 10. Install Mint. Work with windows 10 for a few days, go to mint. You will never go back.
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Can't speak for some of those but....but I'll give it a shot.
#1 there is probably a fix for it somewhere...do I know of one...no frown.gif
#2 you can turn of auto updates for drivers and never have that problem again. Gotta go into advanced system settings. Control Panel>System>Advanced System Settings>Hardware tab> Device Installation Settings>Select "No, let me choose what to do".> Select "Never install driver software from Windows Update."
#3 You can turn A LOT of stuff off...everything...no. There is actually a good bit of info out there on turning stuff off and what MS does...just takes some searching....it does suck but I personally don't have anything I am worried about them getting. Weather you like it or not the majority of everyone's information is already out there due to the massive number of hacks against big companies and health care. Not to mention our data being sold by companies for advertising.
#4 Not in the same way you could in previous versions but you can select Defer Updates under advanced update settings. This will keep the newest updates from being installed automatically so you can wait and see if they cause issues. You can also uninstall updates from the "View your update history".
#5 You always have "admin" rights to your system...just depends how dirty you wanna get changing things...and weather or not you want to go against the ULA. The best way to speak out against something you don't like it so not use it and switch to the competition (many flavors of linux/unix or Mac OS).

#1, Not for Xonar sound cards. They have been and will always be in BETA.
#2, This kinda solves the problem, but I am then left with the choice of either of my NICs or my sound card. It allows me to use two. I was never able to fix that since I was not granted full Admin rights (see #5) to assign system resources to the device even though there is enough there for all of my devices.
#3, Yes you can turn a lot off, but, I am on a metered data plan. So unless Microsoft wants to reimburse me for every thing it downloads or uploads from my computer without my express permission, I will have a problem with it.
#4, I expect to have full control over my updates. When I used windows 10 on my PC, that option was always grayed out. Nothing I could do would allow me to change that. I gave me errors stating that the administrator controlled those settings. Breaking registry entries to backdoor my way into that setting did not work either.
#5, Since I don't have access to all of that, I do not have full Admin rights on my system.

I understand that having most of these things the way they are will make non-technical people have a more consistent PC experience. But, there should be a way for people who know what they are doing to fully control the software. If that means that I have to pay for a windows licence, like I did for XP, Vista, 7, and 8, I will do so. Until then, I will not use windows 10.
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Yep, you can trust the government, just ask the aboriginals.

As for windows 10.

Here is what you do. Install windows 10. Install Mint. Work with windows 10 for a few days, go to mint. You will never go back.

Close, Windows 7 Pro and FreeBSD.
post #104 of 234
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This is FALSE.

So, my lawyer and I literally had this discussion this morning at Starbucks.

What you view as being "private data" may be construed otherwise but, performance data =/= personal data.

Everything you explain, is performance data and can be construed as performance data.

Taking information from my personal files, IE, my personal data, even with an "I agree" in the TOS, is not expressive permission towards a search and seizure, therefore it is a breach.

Taking personal data within the verbal and/or personal consent of an individual from their private property, is a 4th amendment violation because M$ is acting as an "official authority" and you haven't actually provided consent.


Well, let me tell you that, with all due respect, your lawyer is wrong.

If I go to your house and look at your shelf with your music CDs I'm looking at a part of your personal life. What tastes you have in music. Some of those will be LPs, others just singles, some of them even limited edition / special copies that mean that you were at some event to get them or go to fan places to buy them. Some of them you bought, others, with two or three tracks came free with magazines, meaning you may have bought and read those magazines too. How much money you had to spend to get those CD's, etc.

You are gathering a lot of personal data just by looking at that shelf.

The same when they look at what software you have installed. Is it audio software? A demo or a retail version? Or is it a photo editing suite? A retail one? That is expensive. Etc, etc. They can see if you buy things at retail, if you just demo things, what you do for a living and even how much money you make in order to be able to afford some of that stuff.

You game a lot? What kinds of games? Are you a x, y, z person? You know how some politicians like to say certain things about certain types of gamers and then want to push legislation to limit people's rights, etc.

And then the same about the hardware. You have an Intel octa core CPU? And more than one GPU? You're in the 1% of rich people in the world. That narrows down who you might be, especially if you add the software list above. And it makes you a target for thieves too. And how many HDDs do you have? Must have a lot of content. That also narrows down things. They are getting information about you that maybe even the ISP doesn't have because not everything comes from the Internet. Some of it may be over the air TV shows recordings, retail software, work video footage, etc.


Why should anyone have no control over whether this type of information is sent or not?
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Pseudo-philosophic arguments aside, is there anything I can do to stop even the smallest amount of data to MS from Windows if I don't feel like bending over for them?

To answer your question, if you are using windows 10 all I can think of is figure out which ports it uses to send this data and block them entirely on your network.
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Yep, you can trust the government, just ask the aboriginals.

As for windows 10.

Here is what you do. Install windows 10. Install Mint. Work with windows 10 for a few days, go to mint. You will never go back.

Close, Windows 7 Pro and FreeBSD.

Closer, Windows 7 Pro and OpenBSD
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Well, let me tell you that, with all due respect, your lawyer is wrong.

Why should anyone have no control over whether this type of information is sent or not?

I'm not interested in having an argument of semantics about what you consider personal data or otherwise. Data is subjective.

Every single piece of data you just named, is public and has been for @ 5 years; there is a difference between actual public and private data.

Your actual data is what the "fear" is about and you're rationalizing it by essentially identifying "all data" as personal data, it's not and it hasn't been for 5 years.

So, I completely agree with my lawyer...And I'm really not interested in having a semantics argument based on what information you think SHOULD BE private that hasn't been for half a decade.

TLDR: I disagree with you completely and entirely based upon your description of public information.
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your guys are all so right, enjoy yourselves and your windows 10. Im out regardless of what you want or think.

Microsoft wants my data then they can pay me for it.
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Well, let me tell you that, with all due respect, your lawyer is wrong.

Why should anyone have no control over whether this type of information is sent or not?

I'm not interested in having an argument of semantics about what you consider personal data or otherwise. Data is subjective.

Every single piece of data you just named, is public and has been for @ 5 years; there is a difference between actual public and private data.

Your actual data is what the "fear" is about and you're rationalizing it by essentially identifying "all data" as personal data, it's not and it hasn't been for 5 years.

So, I completely agree with my lawyer...And I'm really not interested in having a semantics argument based on what information you think SHOULD BE private that hasn't been for half a decade.

TLDR: I disagree with you completely and entirely based upon your description of public information.


Semantics?

If you make a transaction to buy something it's between you, the seller and maybe the IRS. Why should any outside party not mentioned in the contract, including Microsoft and all its partners (and from then on forget about controlling any sort of information), get access to it?

And where does your 5 years come from?


As for semantics, I can also ague that your personal files are also public knowledge. Almost everything you learned came from your interactions with the outside world, so where is the difference, really?

Why is it that you and your lawyer consider having purchased a copy of software X "performance data", but the audio tracks from an album you bought are personal files?

Next you know Microsoft will be defending the right to upload every file name in the music folder because it's not really personal data. Maybe one day you'll have to append a "- this is a personal audio recording from a family reunion" at the end of the file name in order to not have those files put on the list.
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your guys are all so right, enjoy yourselves and your windows 10. Im out regardless of what you want or think.

Microsoft wants my data then they can pay me for it.

The absolute hilarity of this statement, and all the others on here screaming about Windows 10 "stealing" data......

Microsoft doesn't need Windows 10 to steal your data. They can do that with ANY of their software, at any point it is used. So even if you ran 100% open source on EVERYTHING you own, your bank doesn't. Your school doesn't. Your social media doesn't.

Microsoft doesn't need to steal your data from you, they could steal it from anyone you work with that uses their software. Not to mention they could easily retroactively push updates, unless you believe they already have them, back to any of their Internet connected software. Be it Windows 3.1, or Windows 10.

The complaint of privacy is fake. There is nothing magical or special about Windows 10 that gives Microsoft power they previously didn't have, or couldn't have.

If someone wants to steal all your data, it isn't Microsoft. Ignore the fact it would be illegal, the action itself. You can go secondary on it and look at the fact they are a publicly traded company. They, by law, have to protect their Shareholders. Any action they take, knowingly, that would cause the Shareholder loss, is more or less illegal. So even if Microsoft could steal your data "legally", the backlash over doing so would cause damage to their Shareholders. Thus they would be violating that law.
    
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