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Oh look another thread so the tin foil people can come out and spread their ways. Ill enjoy my windows 10 experience, which is by far the best OS iv used since 7, if you want your information to be unseen write it down a piece of paper.
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I live in the 21st century. I acknowledge, that certain realities SUCK but, they're just that, realities. Among them are the loss of privacy in the past 5 years. Sorry but, facts. Cops can without a warrant, if they show even the slightest bit of PC, can now attain your browsing habits. Browsing habits that are already violated by Google. They can already read you mail, data that's already been violated by Verizon, Google et al.

You're not really a good person, I had some sliver of hope that maybe there was some advantage by not switching to Windows 10 but you ruined the facade.
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Actually, they don't.

What the OP/article consider spying isn't actually "spying" by any means, it's passing along relevant data. Windows 10 passes along relevant system data.

The reality is that Google (Even when browsed anonymously) passes along search data. Every major email back-end minus 1 or 2, are fully open to the NSA - Your browser history isn't your property...Verizon passes along the same information, everyone does.

That's why we have Encrypted VPN services and Tails/Tor, for extreme circumstances. I was more or less mentioning not browsing the internet in Windows in case someone gains access to the computer and snoops around. It's just another layer of protection. And does anyone know exactly what Cortana/Edge sends to Microsoft anyway?
Edited by aweir - 11/3/15 at 9:54am
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I think those ok with sharing their info by all means. It really is unavoidable at this point regardless of what Windows you use. The fact that you are plugged in either the software or the backdoors on the hardware side is going to get you.

For most of us who want to maintain our privacy and remain free from tyranny, we'll have a decision to make.

We either adopt Windows 10 as a free perpetual service, use a different but albeit limited OS or unplug the computer.

Currently, Netflix satiates my movie needs and the abysmal state of PC gaming has confined my purchases to one or two titles a year from what use to be a dozen or so a year with options for trade-ins.

Anyhow, the reasons to owning a PC are becoming very limited. However, I don't see us completely escaping it, as tablets, cell phones, TV, fridge and your car will continue to rat on you.

Unless you confine yourself to a cabin in the woods and detach from the grid, it's futile. Even then, drones and satellites will know where you are.

It doesn’t mean that you just give up, do what you can to refute their advances and make it harder for them.
 
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as tablets, cell phones, TV, fridge and your car will continue to rat on you.

Unless you confine yourself to a cabin in the woods and detach from the grid, it's futile. Even then, drones and satellites will know where you are.

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my sig.... if you want true privacy.... else shut it...
 
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my sig.... if you want true privacy.... else shut it...

Seems my statement about a cabin in the woods negates your sig.

You seem to be agreeing with me as there is no escaping it, not even in a cabin in the woods, but then you tell me to shut-it? headscratch.gif


Nevermind, I read your statement again and we are actually in agreement.
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My grandfather used to say the problem wasn't the man behind the podium, it was the masses that followed him. I think this has always been the case and always will be the case. There are a lot books on the topic. "What Orwell Didn't Know: Propaganda and the New Face of American Politics" is a good one.

Of course you can't join a class action suit against Microsoft or Valve. Thanks to the Feds. Someone in California fought it... but... The California supreme court upheld that consumer class action waivers in arbitration provisions are enforceable under Federal law. And if Valve decides to block you from thousands of dollars worth of games (licenses) because you violated (or may have violated) something in the EULA (nothing to do with the games you've purchased), forget trying to fight it. They need no court or law enforcement to do so. Imagine you collect cars and Toyota shows up and takes ALL your cars because of something you did (or they suspected you did) without any courts being involved.

Yes, it all does suck... Don't blame it on the man behind the podium.
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I think your tinfoil is a little too tight....
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Where do I start? There is so much wrong in the post it's not even funny.

1. Microsoft could steal from other companies so it's all moot? What kind of argument is that?

Look at it VERY simply...

Why would Microsoft spend the hundreds of millions to billions to develop a capability they already have? If Microsoft's goal is to "steal" your data, the data they already have access to, why create an entirely new system?

Seriously, just stop the rant for a moment and think. No person or group is going to exhaust resources to create access to something they already have access too. No matter the motivation!
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2. Schools don't use proper software, so it makes it all moot? Again, what on earth is this for an argument? A school has already been punished for spying on their students, and I bet everyone agrees that they have to improve their infrastructure .

See my above answer, it is about access. Your tinfoil is keeping you from seeing what the conversation is about.
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3. Social media does it? So it's all moot? Again, what? Facebook is in court in some European countries because of their abusive policies.

First, being in Court doesn't mean a damn thing - talk to me after a verdict. Anyone can sue anyone. Second, once again, look at my above answer(s). It is about access. They already have it.
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4. Microsoft wouldn't do anything that would make their shareholders lose money? What? Do I have to cite every anti-trust case they got involved in over the years? And even that argument of yours is just wrong because they can do illegal things and even after the fines they will still make more money than if they hadn't done that. So how is this moral at all? And why should consumers accept it?

Not what I said, and again, you fail to see the larger picture through the Tinfoil.

The backlash to Microsoft if they were to "steal" the private information (and do anything with it), of all the Windows 10 users, would be beyond what you can imagine. If you had Microsoft violate the privacy of a hundred million users, they would damn near stop existing. You utterly underestimate the repercussions of the event you are afraid of.
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5. They can push retroactive updates to their previous software? Yes, they can, but my agreement with them says that in Windows 7 and 8.1 I can refuse them.
False.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.......do you hear yourself? Let me point something out to you....

You people are screaming about "even if the button is off, they could still do it!", as evidence to support your hilarious claim of identity theft. Yet to defend your position you say other software can "refuse" the update? I hope to God you see the issue here....

If Microsoft was going to violate several laws, by stealing your data, then they wouldn't care about any buttons you have pressed to "refuse" any updates. They would simply push them, because they are doing something illegal anyways. After all, they can hide it from you to begin with....

In other words; simply by having any use/contact with Microsoft products, the big evil company could steal all the data about you they wanted, no matter what you said.
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Your browsing data isn't public. To get it authorities need a warrant.

Utterly and completely wrong.

I am an ISP.
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iTunes isn't the only way to get music, despite what you might think, and that doesn't make it ok for Microsoft to get that data either.

It doesn't matter that they aren't the only place for music (I don't personally use iTunes). Although you are right that marketing data on you is taken from every place you spend money already.
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You're the one who should get in on the 21st century, acknowledge all of the places where these practices are being disputed in court and not be passively ok with the progressive erosion of privacy and choice to share what you want to share.

Again, the Tinfoil hat is tight with you. That or a profound lack of life experience and age behind you. You sound like a 22 year old Occupy Wall St type.


EDIT:

There is a difference between protecting your data from someone trying to intrude on your privacy and that of sending system data. Yes, Windows 10 on wide open "Let's be Friends" share mode does share a lot, although still not anything more than what people put out there already. When dialed back to the minimal settings, it is system log information for crashes and other issues.

The fact that people in here believe that Microsoft has any interest in your naked photos, bank account numbers and balances, is silly. It is just damned silly. As a business what you are doing for dinner has more value to me than knowing the size of your penis.

Even if Microsoft had your bank account number, they aren't going to be able to do a damn thing with it. If you have any sense about you at all, you will notice any money leaving. That money is insured, so you are fine, and Microsoft would be out.

People, calm down. Want to worry about privacy and theft of information? Don't put your trash on the curb, and get a locking mailbox if you don't have one. Microsoft doesn't give a crap about your intimates.
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Windows 10 is on my gaming pc, I love it tbh, not a single problem so far, it just works and seems its using all of my modern hw, subjectively it seems to fly on my rig vs 7 64bit, small example 6 seconds vs 11 cold boot. Since windows 2000 there has been a backdoor for ms to your 'stuff' and wth I have a smartphone in my pocket anyway, I'd be more worried and run linux if I owned a big business that was a competitor to ms or its 'friends'.
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If you had Microsoft violate the privacy of a hundred million users, they would damn near stop existing.

lol. They don't need to. All it takes are modifying some paragraphs in the 10,000 page long license agreement and boom, less default privacy for the end-user. Same way Google and Facebook do it legally.
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