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Comparing a search engine and an operating system is just brilliant.

Yeah because Google certainly only makes a search engine. Its not like there is something called Android out there that is an OS made by Google which has the exact same kind of data collection methods in place that is what everyone is referring to. Nah... rolleyes.gif
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Comparing a search engine and an operating system is just brilliant.

Yeah because Google certainly only makes a search engine. Its not like there is something called Android out there that is an OS made by Google which has the exact same kind of data collection methods in place that is what everyone is referring to. Nah... rolleyes.gif

sure! it makes sense to use an open source OS for data collecting. tongue.gif


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Edited by looniam - 11/3/15 at 7:48pm
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Im struggling for words that this is still a topic of such contention...
Pretty soon people who dont trust an offsite computer with their data will be considered Luddites, and to be honest even with my understanding of security and privacy im hard pressed to not start looking at it that way now.
Thats just how its going, and we need to accept that and do our best to be aware of what we put out there and get over it.
The wheels are in motion already and have been for some time.

I sure hope peeps would not be trusting offsite especially cloud computing/storage. Kind of like the dumb nuts who save their passwords files and save them in dropbox, onedrive, etc. in cleartext. rolleyes.gif Of course there is ways to encrypt those files stored in cloud storage.

Then again, most of the majority post all the info on social sites and hook to any wi-fi they see without thinking much about security. You really don't need to try hard to snoop in on peoples' traffic really. Kind of the reason in military they smack us in the head year in and year out about what we post or make available on the internet.

I just curious what exactly is Microsoft collecting and by what protocols? Considering full disk encryption can't protect you from a key logger.
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Pseudo-philosophic arguments aside, is there anything I can do to stop even the smallest amount of data to MS from Windows if I don't feel like bending over for them?

Probably find out which protocols, ports, and IPs its sending out through then block those at the firewall or a router's ACL. Still that kind bad, since you be treating your computer like it was part of a botnet.
     
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Probably find out which protocols, ports, and IPs its sending out through then block those at the firewall or a router's ACL. Still that kind bad, since you be treating your computer like it was part of a botnet.

Well you could always just move into a cabin deep in the woods with no electricity or phone lines and live out the rest of your days staying out of contact with any and every single human being on the planet. That would probably still be considered too "insecure" for some of the privacy nuts we have running around here though...
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Well you could always just move into a cabin deep in the woods with no electricity or phone lines and live out the rest of your days staying out of contact with any and every single human being on the planet. That would probably still be considered too "insecure" for some of the privacy nuts we have running around here though...

Heck, some peeps are serious about their data.

Though, by what I have looked up on 10, it does provide support for multi-authentication, biometrics, and asymmetric encryption. So at least they supporting securing one's data on their devices.

The internet in general should never be treated as a safe place.
Reason I find the idea of IPv6 a very nice idea since it has native support for IPSec and security in mind.
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To fix this have everyone have an unstable oc. The. Just keep sending the info in
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Good on you. What email provider are you using that you absolutely know your emails are not being parsed?

    I'm using GMX, and have quit using my previous primary Outlook (hotmail) account after Microsoft's draconian privacy policy that came out this August.  They had the audacity to email me the new agreement and state that my continued use of the Microsoft services indicated my agreement with the new policies.  Of course, my contacts all got emails noting the address change along with an explanation why.  I had fun at Microsoft's expense and hope that they did spy on those emails. wink.gif  I'm actually very happy with the move.  Microsoft repeatedly locked me out of my account, denying me access when traveling, corrupted emails, almost always gave me my emails late, and seriously limited my attachment filesize.  I'd already been a happy GMX user (secondary email address) for awhile before Microsoft gave me the "push" I needed to switch over.

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The point is that it doesn't matter if you're on Linux, Mac, or Windows, when most 3rd party applications and services use their own form of "spying" anyway.

    I don't know what software you use, but I have certainly not seen this behavior in most of the software I use.

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I don't know why people are making this out to be a Windows only issue, when every other major company/OS has been doing this for years. Even when using Linux, you can bet the NSA has their fingers in a piece of that pie.

    Perhaps some people are making this out to be a Windows-only issue, but many of us have been well aware of these industry practices for a long time and have been using Microsoft services and products because of the relative amount of freedom and privacy that Microsoft has provided in the past.  Now that's all changing, and there's a lot of people that are outraged as a result.
    Not sure what to make about the Linux comment.  I would like to think that being open source, enough coders would spot any backdoor commits in the commit history and revert/clean.  The bigger issue is 3rd-party tracking, as Postal has voiced here (although he's sneaky enough not to tell you that he can't track HTTPS surfing beyond seeing domain names minus the URLs).

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Even if you could completely block everything from everybody, you can still be identified from something as simple as your searching habits.

    Dead wrong.  "My" searching habits are not being tracked.  Yes, the searches are logged and information gathered, but for whose identity?  They have no idea if it's me.  You have to understand that with several similarly configured computers in my network used by several different users, with cookies set to be cleared when Firefox is closed, the linkage to my past and my present is broken and all these sites are forced to create new identities for each browsing session.  The only thing that could connect them is sign-ins (on sites like this one), sharing that information with 3rd-parties.  But I'm blocking such 3rd-party sites from being accessed.  I know it works because I've watched other people surf and been shocked how targeted everything is.  I never see this behavior on my systems.  And my ISP (the only one who knows whose door to come knocking on) not only doesn't know if it's me, he also can't see our HTTPS StartPage, IxQuick, or even Google searches.  Now he can log anyone foolish enough to do an unencrypted Bing search, as I know firsthand because I log my network traffic too.

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Every time i see a rebuttal to the "well, you use Google anyway" argument, it's always "well, i do x,y, and z to block everything". So you guys go through all the trouble to do that, but you cant spend 5 minutes to do the same for Windows? headscratch.gif

    Not sure why you directed this to me when the very quoted post of mine described me doing exactly this!  Actually, I've spent much more than 5 minutes to safeguard myself.  Maybe you thought I was a Linux user.  I wish I was.  The way Microsoft's going now, chances are it will happen sooner or later though. smile.gif
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To fix this have everyone have an unstable oc. The. Just keep sending the info in

I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to use a regular DDOS attack on the crash reporting system without actually crashing millions of computers.
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So people really just want to complain. I think i madea giant mistake joining this forum. This isnt constructive its pure paranoia i know i have issues with it. M$ isnt after personal data. Thats identity theives people m$ doesnt want a bad rap for

you want to be safe throw your pc out the window. I mean it never logon again. There are psychos in the news that will get your ip and kill you over a cs go game. But no, lets worry about M$ trying to gather maintanence data to help stability, compatability, and safty. I seriously shouldnt be here
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I'm not interested in having an argument of semantics about what you consider personal data or otherwise. Data is subjective.

Every single piece of data you just named, is public and has been for @ 5 years; there is a difference between actual public and private data.

Your actual data is what the "fear" is about and you're rationalizing it by essentially identifying "all data" as personal data, it's not and it hasn't been for 5 years.

So, I completely agree with my lawyer...And I'm really not interested in having a semantics argument based on what information you think SHOULD BE private that hasn't been for half a decade.

TLDR: I disagree with you completely and entirely based upon your description of public information.

So what I call a USB drive I only use personally and have never plugged into a piece of equipment I don't own is not "private"? The things I search for on my private devices aren't "private"? I know that's where big data tech companies and the US lettered agencies want us to go but it doesn't seem to mesh well with the founding legal principles of the US, at least.
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